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Speeds and Feeds: Tooling and Cutting Strategies to Improve Parts and Profitability

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Learn strategies on how to successfully implement new cutting tools, materials, or machinery into your manufacturing workflow to boost productivity and profitability. Class discussion will include tips and formulas on understanding the basics of speeds and feeds, including how to capitalize on Autodesk CAM tool libraries and templates. Class will also cover resources and advice on implementing process reliability, exploring new tool technologies, and discovering shop techniques to maximize tool value.

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  • Gain confidence in selecting a cutting tool and initial speeds and feeds
  • Understand the important criteria in maximizing tool life, performance, and value
  • Learn how to capitalize on CAM templates and tool libraries for shop operation
  • Explore new tools and cutting strategies that may boost productivity

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  • John Saunders
    We run NYC CNC, the leading YouTube channel on instructional machining, CAD, CAM and prototyping! When we aren't publishing YouTube videos, we also run Saunders Machine works, a machine shop that manufactures CNC machine fixture plates. We proudly use Fusion 360 CAD/CAM as well as Tormach and HAAS machines.
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JOHN SAUNDERS: Welcome to my talk on speeds and feeds. I'm actually pretty excited about this. As I've gone through my journey of machining and manufacturing, I've come to learn and appreciate a lot of things. I think speeds and feeds are a really fascinating topic, and I think they're-- it's not to say that they're underappreciated, but I think there's probably a lot to be gained or a lot that people are leaving on the table.

The goals of the class, let's talk about what speeds and feeds actually are. Let's really dive into some terminology. My hope is to raise the level of knowledge and awareness so that we establish some common baseline. Obviously, a 60-minute class, let alone a week-long class, wouldn't be able to give you all of the answers.

But every time I hear a buzzword or a terminology or a term, I want to help you guys learn what you can do after this class to do something better, or to learn, or go research that issue-- so dive into some best practices and troubleshooting-type of stuff, and then again, resources going forward beyond just what we're getting into today.

My name is John Saunders. I run a shop called Saunders Machine Works. I'm a self-taught machinist. I got into this because I was trying to bring a product to market. And if you go watch some of my earliest YouTube videos on my tag, I couldn't get a face mill to work or a fly cutter to work. It was a high-speed steel insert bar. And I thought maybe if I turn it at 6,000 RPMs, it'll give me the recipe I'm looking for. So we all start somewhere.

I'm proud to say now I realize how dumb that was. But seriously, it's not obvious why things happen the way they happen. It ends up that that tool was not doing well because I had it mounted in there incorrectly. It wasn't just the RPM issue.

But I enjoy doing what I'm doing. I run a YouTube channel called NYC CNC where we put out videos on how to make stuff generally around the machining world, but also a topic that I very much like, which is manufacturing entrepreneurship. So it's not just the process of CAD or CAM or Fusion or machining, but rather the context of making this my life or making it your life-- hobbyist, weekend warrior, entrepreneur, working at a big company, anything of the sorts.

It's called NYC CNC because I started this when I was in New York City. I'm now back in Zanesville, Ohio, with my wife and two kids. And again, very much enjoy that I get to do what I do.

So if somebody were to ask you what are feeds and speeds, it would not be incorrect to say, OK, well, we've got a probably-- it looks like a half-inch four-flute tool. And I'm going to tell you, fun fact, feeds and speeds. So I'm going to tell you, ah, 0.002 of an inch and 300 surface feet per minute. So that's not an incorrect answer.

But what I want to do today is look at speeds and feeds more from a contextual standpoint of why are we doing this. So the number one reason, certainly for folks that are new to machining, new to a machine tool, new to a material, is going to be, I just don't want to break the tool, or some version of success. Like, I want to make the part. I want to make the part with some decently good outcome. I don't want to snap it off. I don't want to have chatter. But it's kind of an avoiding really bad outcomes.

The second reason is starting to do more of a, let's optimize something. So I put ROI up here. I don't think anybody is doing an actual financial return-of-investment calculation on a tool. But I will tell you, when you move into production, you will start doing more of an analysis of what is that cost of that tool, what's the life of it.

But really what I mean here is, is a tool being pushed hard enough? Is it the right tool for the process? Should I switch things up? Is it giving me the right outcome for the whole scenario or environment? So trying to optimize things and make more money, make something safer. Yeah, go ahead.

AUDIENCE: Or should I spend twice as much or half as much on a different tool?

JOHN SAUNDERS: Exactly. Yeah, so that's actually the fourth one. But the third one-- thank you. I appreciate you-- is finish or some equivalent. We've probably all seen on the Instamachinist post insanely good mirror finishes. Or maybe it's something more technical where you actually need a specific Ra as a bearing surface.

Or it's a pre-ream bore, so you care about that. Or there's some really cool tools called burnishing tools that will actually take the peaks and valleys left from a boring bar or a turning tool, and that actually cold flow-that material out. Well, in those situations, you very much care about the finish, but not from an aesthetic standpoint, from a tolerancing or some other standpoint.

And then lastly, the Buy tag here is a backward look at speeds and feeds and tooling, which is not, if I open up my tool box, what is the best tool to grab for the job at hand? But rather, what is out there in the world? Like John said, I would be willing to spend a huge amount of money if I knew it were the right tool. So how do you go figure that out?

When it's a hobby-- and I can vividly remember buying my first $8 end mill and thinking, oh, my god, this needs to last a really, really long time. Now we probably literally spend hundreds of dollars a week, sometimes a day, on tooling. But nevertheless, I care, as an entrepreneur, as a shop owner, as the guy that writes the checks. I'll buy the $800 Sandvik face mill if it can do what I think it can. So how do you get to that point to make that investment?

So speeds and feeds aren't just speeds and feeds. They are the material you're cutting. And this may seem obvious. You may be saying, well, of course it is. And when you think about something like an end mill, most machine shops intuitively or unintuitively say, oh, that's our quarter-inch end mill for aluminum, or that's the tool we use in steel.

And I agree. That's very normal. But who here actually keeps a set of high-speed steel twist drills separated by material? I would argue nobody or very few folks. So you have a lot of mixed materials or cutting tools where you share the cutting tool across different materials.

What machine tool are you running it in? Again, probably an obvious point, but nevertheless, it's not always the first thing that people mention. And when you pull up a manufacturer's speeds and feeds PDF, there is no mention of the machine tool. That's actually a really important part of it.

And then lastly, something that I think is not just neglected but more relevant than people realize is the holder itself. How are you holding onto that tool? ER collets are very common, and they're great, and we use them. But collets can compress under load.

And I think Rob Lockwood did a good job in his presentation of clarifying that he is not an expert or an engineer. I am not an expert, but I've become pretty fascinated with it. So I share this much as a layman in practice and not as somebody who is, by any means, formally qualified. But the tool holder matters. How are you holding onto that tool? And then the gauge length, the overall length of the tool, the stickout, et cetera.

But it's not just that. So that's what takes speeds and feeds to the next level. This is my quick-ish summary of many other factors that will play a role in speeds and feeds-- work holding. How hard are you holding onto that work piece? Is it moving? How hard do you want to go at it?

Fun fact, I love superglue. It might change how you machine that part-- not just because of the work-holding capabilities of superglue, but because superglue and, in our situation, the tape that we use for it, are more affected by heat than other things in this stack of cutting recipe stuff.

The coolant that you're using-- we'll come back to many of these-- chip evacuation. Coolant plays three roles. It actually lubricates the cut. It will provide an actual transfer of heat away from the tool or the part. But most importantly, at least for most of us, most importantly, the role that coolant performs is getting the chips out of there. We'll come back to this again.

Stickout or gauge length, toolpath style that you're using-- we probably take it for granted the value that adaptive toolpaths bring to us, but it's not to be taken for granted. It massively changes the types of tooling that we can use and the capabilities that we can get out of lighter-duty machine tools.

The hardness of the material, whether it has a hardened scale on the outside, is it flexing in the cut, the effects of chip thinning. I don't throw these up to antagonize you, but rather to hopefully introduce the fact that there are so many more complexities to what will result in a successful cutting recipe.

So I think it's awesome that we live at this point in history and in mankind. There are more-- I have no data to back this up. There are more people using more types of machine tools than ever before in the history of mankind. And conversation to AU include folks who are using machines like [? KUMA ?] at one point at a time in their day, and then they're using a machine like a ShapeOko hours later.

Our story has been tied a lot around the Tormach machines, and we're moving upward into the vertical machining centers. And you may have a 3/16 end mill, and that end mill may be a great tool for all three of these machines, but with very different cutting recipes.

So again, what are speeds and feeds? 300 surface feet per minute, 2 and 1/2 THOU per tooth-- I tried to be kind to the non-imperial folks here to throw in the metric equivalents. So that, again, is the basics.

What is cutting speed? The textbook definition is the speed difference or relative velocity between the cutting tool and the surface of the work piece it's operating on. I don't really enjoy that definition of it.

The real question is, why do we use surface feet per minute instead of RPM? Wouldn't RPM work? And so the example is the two millennials are going down the sidewalk on a bicycle and a skateboard. They are traveling at the same rate of speed so that they can have a conversation. The bicycle tire and the skateboard wheel, are they traveling at the same speed or the different speed?

AUDIENCE: Different.

JOHN SAUNDERS: Huh?

AUDIENCE: Different.

AUDIENCE: Same speed.

AUDIENCE: Different.

AUDIENCE: Different relative to the surface.

JOHN SAUNDERS: Yeah, so it depends. They're potentially traveling at the same surface footage, but at different RPM. So surface feet per minute is simply a-- or surface speed is simply a term that lets us give you the number you need regardless of the diameter.

Now, here's the thing. Who here remembers carpet burns? Carpet burns-- hopefully as a kid. If you're still doing it as an adult, god bless you. Carpet burns are the relationship between your skin and carpet, and they don't really occur when you're going at a certain speed. But when you go too fast, it's not very much fun.

So surface feet per minute is important because tools, a carbide cutting tool or a high-speed steel cutting tool, or the coating on that tool, may have a surface feet per minute or a surface speed that it wants to operate at, as does the material that you're cutting.

And so the other example would be on a lathe-- not a big fan. But if you are using a lathe, when you're turning on the outside of a part, you are constantly changing the RPM requirements to maintain the surface speed as you come into the center line of the part.

What is feed? Feed per tooth. Feed rate is a relative velocity at which the cutter is advanced along the work piece. So the diagram in the top right, courtesy of Sandvik, the tool is moving that way. And we can see here, the tooth of the tool is actually engaged with the material. It is taking a chip load per tooth.

We don't use inches per minute because inches per minute don't tell me important information. How many flutes are you using in this case?

Feed is more important than speed. This is a generalization that has some risks for sure. But as a general rule, for free machining materials-- many plastics, many aluminum and basic steels-- surface speed, it's not that it isn't important. It's that the feed per tooth is always more important. And we'll come back to this in the example of if you use something like a 3/64 or a 2-millimeter end mill, most of us aren't going to have machines to even come close to getting to the surface feet per minute that you would like to get to.

Feed always matters, and it matters because the way cutting tools interact with the material. And it's kind of easy to just not think about this and you just assume that cutters work because they work. But if you think about my hand as the cutting tool, and if I go push into something, I can't go through this right now, right? But if I had a knife on me or a scalpel-- unlike Kevin, I don't fly with knives.

[LAUGHTER]

And I were to take that knife and push into it, I think it's pretty reasonable that the Venetian would be upset with me, right? You can actually get into that. So if you had a scalpel, it would cut material. And I tell this. Sometimes, I will actually take a knife, my Norseman, and I will literally cut into material. You can sometimes see what's happening.

The reason we don't use scalpel-like edges for cutting tools is they wouldn't last. They wouldn't last at all, which both means they have a very short life. But equally important and a little bit different, they wouldn't have a consistent performance throughout the life. In other words, it's not binary. It doesn't just work, work, work, work, work, and then fail. It's going to change.

So what cutting tool manufacturers do is they have some amount of bluntness to the edge of the cutting tool, and that's a good thing because it makes it a lot stronger and makes it last longer. But we have to overcome that bluntness with power.

And the key here, to tie it back into why feed rates are so important, is if you look at the picture, if you think about instead of a sharp edge, it having some amount of bluntness to it, if we don't move over enough before we cut, then we're not going to be actually shearing off a chip. And I'm not an engineer. I don't know the correct terms when it comes to things like fracturing the material or shearing the material. But that is what we are doing.

We are actually using a sharp edge, pushing against that material. And as we push against it, we're ultimately causing it to yield or crack or fracture, and then we're sweeping through it. So we need to have our feed rate over enough so that we're actually forming a chip.

This is really important. If you guys leave understanding one thing, especially if you're new to this, it's the role that that plays. We want to form a chip because we don't want to burnish. So if you burnish, you're not feeding over enough to form a real chip.

The scary thing is you're going to think you're the best machinist in the world for about five minutes because the cuts are going to look great. But you're generating massive amounts of heat because you're rubbing. You're not forming a real chip. The tool will fail very, very, very quickly.

And again, heat is the enemy. You're rubbing. You're creating a lot of heat, and you're not forming a natural chip, which normally serves a role of carrying the heat away from the part.

So some end mill anatomy basics, I thought it would be better to include in this deck, which you can download, some links to folks that, frankly, have done a really good job. This example is a company called-- this is Harvey. Harvey and Helical are the same parent company.

Most of this stuff is relatively basic. On an end mill, in this case, we have the section that is the flute. We have the section that is the shank. I doubt I'm teaching anybody much here. But we can have, on an anvil, a square shoulder. We can have a slight radius, or we can have a full ball.

Things that do matter that start to change a little are things like the overall length of the cutting tool, the length of the reach. So in this example, we have a reduced neck-- that may serve a role of letting us cut deeper but maintain a stiffer core-- the overall length, the length of the cut.

And the last section on this page which I want to point out is we've got an example of the helix angle and the pitch. So this is important because I suspect many folks have seen the terms "variable pitch" and "variable helix." And so what that means here, on the variable helix, is each helix isn't just a patterned instance of itself around the tool. They vary slightly. And this has to do with interrupting the harmonics or resonance of the tool.

Same thing with variable pitch. It just means that the four cutting flutes, in this example, aren't 90 degrees offset from each other. They vary ever so slightly to give a slightly better performance or avoid resonance bands.

OK, rake angle, something you guys need to know what it is, at least the basics of it-- it's a little bit more common, or certainly visually easier to understand, in the context of turning or a lathe. If we had a wood lathe in here turning a baseball bat, and I handed everybody a-- what is it called, a-- what's the woodworker tool called?

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

JOHN SAUNDERS: What is it?

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

JOHN SAUNDERS: Gravel? Am I making that up? What is it? Chisel?

AUDIENCE: Gouge would be one that--

AUDIENCE: A gouge.

AUDIENCE: A gouge.

JOHN SAUNDERS: OK, the tool. I would suspect most of you would probably naturally hold it in what's called a positive rake angle. It's just kind of the way you would think about the tool interacting with the material to form that shearing action. And that's totally fine. There's neutral tooling, and then there's negative tooling.

So the reason that we have negative tooling is twofold. Number one, positive rake tooling has a weakness, which is that the cutting tip ends up being unsupported. It's just not as strong. So you can't run it quite as hard.

The second issue is-- and there's some quirky exceptions to this. But positive rake tooling cannot be flipped over. So on a negative rake tooling, if you have two cutting edges on one side of the insert, usually, you can flip it over, and just get two more for free. So on production, relative to tooling cost, that's a really big deal. You just got 50% more for free.

Because negative rate tooling has this intrinsic support underneath it, you also, again, can run the tool harder. It does require more rigid, more capable machine. It has more tool pressure. So if you're cutting something really thin, negative rake tooling might just push it away, where positive rake tooling can help actually engage it and shear it away.

You see it in face mills as well, though. There's a fellow named [INAUDIBLE] who I think was maybe one of the first guys to really show off the Mitsubishi ASX face mills. Nothing new there. Sandvik has the 245 that's basically this version.

And you can see here, that is a positive rake as it's going around and cutting that material. The opposite would be the guy over here on the right, which is a negative rake tooling. It's a little bit tricky to see, but these inserts are actually tipped backward. It's a very awkward thing to look at.

These actually have a little bit of positive geometry snuck into the insert, so it's a little bit of an exception. But the cool thing about that insert is you can flip it around. So it holds true to that negative rake tooling that gets you twice as many cutting edges. And those Sandvik inserts are very expensive, but it's very helpful.

AUDIENCE: But also, doesn't the rake affect how the chip's being evacuated?

JOHN SAUNDERS: Does the rake affect how the chip is being evacuated? I'm not sure I--

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

JOHN SAUNDERS: Yeah, it's certainly-- I'm not sure I can answer that question, at least on the spot. In insert tooling, there's chip breakers which will affect how the chip is rolled over and formed. I'm not sure rake itself would-- anybody want to take a stab at answering that, or--

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE], but obviously, [? you have ?] chip-breaking features to overcome that.

JOHN SAUNDERS: Yeah, so it's a good point, for sure. And chip evacuation-- we'll come back to it-- is huge. So one of the things I want to do in this presentation is both talk philosophically about resources and the whats and the whys and the hows, but also leave you guys with some actionable stuff, especially if you're new to this.

This is an Excel file that we make available. If you go to nyccnc.com, we have this Speeds & Feeds page. If you click on the first guy there, The Basics, there's a 15-minute video or so that talks a lot about the same sort of things I'm talking about here.

But then we have this Excel file that we've put together, and we use this on a daily basis. And the first column here is by surface footage. The next one is by RPM. Again, most the time, if you pull up a PDF, it's going to give you surface speed. But sometimes, I've got a 2-millimeter ball end mill, and I know I've got a 10k spindle. So I really care what the surface speed is.

I just want to know, hey, if I've got a-- tool diameter equals 3. You divide it by 64. And I'm going to run it at, say, 8/10 of an inch feed per tooth, and it's two flutes, and I've got 10,000 RPMs. I now know that-- did I do all that right? Yeah, it looks right. 16 inches per minute is certainly what I could start at or generally gives me the right ballpark. Everybody with me so far on that?

So feel free to download this worksheet. The first tab of it is some starting recipes. So again, trying to stay away from the theoretical and rather just spoon-feeding you, this is an actual link to a tool, some specific width of cut, depth of cut, inch per tooth, and some cutting condition tips for aluminum and steel, again with the idea that if you have access to a machine and a makerspace or you're new, you're certainly not going to break this tool, and you're probably going to get a pretty good result.

Drilling, some similar sort of information of starting recipe stuff. Most drills tend to be high-speed steel. If you grab a drawer or a drill somewhere at a shop, it's probably high-speed steel. 150 surface feet per minute, 0.003 to 0.007-inch per revolution-- it's one of the big differences. Most cutting tools are inch per tooth. Most drilling recipes are inch per revolution. For things like stainless or the super alloys, there isn't any way to give you a equivalent starting recipe or go-to. So you've got to handle those on a case-by-case basis.

So let's talk about speeds and feeds sheets. Any tooling manufacturer is going to make these available. I'm going to pick on Helical a little bit here, and I'm comfortable picking on them because they probably do a better job than just about anybody else of putting out really, really, really good information.

So when you look at one of these PDFs, this is the whole PDF. There's a lot of numbers here and a lot of information. In this case, we've got the tool number of 03345. It's a 3/8-inch-- I think it's a three-flute end mill. And we've got to figure out how do we use this tool.

So if we're cutting aluminum, you're somehow supposed to know [? bit ?] wrought and cast. Most machinists don't necessarily know that there's a wrought and cast. They give you a little tip point here in the series. And most of the aluminums you're going to see, the 6061s and 7075s, happen to be wrought.

Then there's this HBS. Anybody know what HBS is? Nobody?

AUDIENCE: Hardness on the Brinell scale.

JOHN SAUNDERS: Thank you, hardness on the Brinell scale. It's actually a great thing to say, I don't know. They did give me this information down here, but even I took a minute to go figure out, making sure that's what they were referring to because you also hear Rockwell as a hardness scale.

Surface feet per minute, 2,200. That's a really high surface speed, but modern carbide tooling can handle that in aluminum. 3/8 of an inch. They give us slot, roughing, and finishing. I blew this up over here. So basically, what we get is a 1.8 THOU to 3.5 THOU range depending on whether you're slotting, roughing, or finishing.

They give us some axial and radial depth of cut information. And so this is good. This is what's very common. But it's also, in very many ways, inadequate. Remember this slide I showed you earlier with the machine tool and the coolant and the toolpath strategy? None of that is addressed here.

So one of the ironies is Helical also makes software called Machining Advisor Pro. It's actually pretty good. It's generally limited to their own tool library. I can't blame them for that.

But you punch in the EDP number. We pick aluminum. We pick that we're doing a high-efficiency milling, fancy word for what we would generally call adaptive. You're actually required to say that when you're at an Autodesk event.

[LAUGHTER]

ER collet, maximum RPMS, the width of cut, the depth of cut-- it generally populates this stuff. And the output is, frankly, pretty different than the same tooling manufacturer's PDF that they just gave us. In this case, the surface speed is only 1,473. So why is the surface speed here 1,473, but the PDF was 2,200?

AUDIENCE: Because it requires spindle speed.

JOHN SAUNDERS: Yeah, max spindle speed. In this case, I put in as 15,000. So we know, immediately, we can't even come close with a 3/8-inch tool, which is a pretty big tool. On a 15k spindle-- it's a decently fast spindle-- we can't even come within 75% of their originally requested surface speed per minute.

Surface speed matters, but not as much as feed per tooth. Feed per tooth is 5.1 thousandths of an inch. That's a third higher than the highest number they gave us on the PDF. Again, I'm not faulting them. I'm saying there's so many different outcomes.

The reason we can run this feed per tooth so high is because, in this case, we've really been able to tell it the rigidity of this machine and the fact that we're running a trochoidal toolpath. It still, though, doesn't speak to all the cutting conditions, and I would be willing to bet you could run the tool even quite a bit harder than this.

Coatings, everybody has seen and heard of coatings. There's many different types. To be honest, I struggled with how to address them in this presentation. You can't not address them when you're talking about tooling.

But the role that they play-- so they can help make the cutting action-- they can add a level of lubricity. They can make the cutting action have a lower element of friction. They can increase the performance when they are run at temperature. Most coatings are temperature-specific. In other words, they need to be activated at speed. They can definitely help with dry machining, and they can add hardness and toughness to the actual cutting edge in the tool. So they are a good thing.

However, it's very difficult to give a brief summary of what they are and what they can be used for. And I would generally say don't worry too much about it in most general use cases. I would also mention, many of us would see the tool on your right and say, oh, that's the gold color that you always use for aluminum. And you may see the tool here on your left and say, that's the one that we use for steel.

That's usually true, but there are enough exceptions to where I would recommend being really careful with that. We had an IMCO-- I-M-C-O-- tool in where their aluminum coating looked quite a bit like this. And that can really throw you. So don't just assume that the colors of the coating tell you what you need to know.

And it's a great time to mention that if you're using coating, it may be application-specific. And in those situations, there is no better person than having a relationship with a tooling vendor or the tooling manufacturer. There's no shortcoming. These people live this daily and can really help guide you on those sort of solutions.

High-speed steel, you are no longer allowed to use it for end mills.

[LAUGHTER]

Seriously. If someone wants to challenge me on that, go ahead. But the lack of rigidity, the lack of ability to hold a long-term edge, and the availability and low price of good carbide tooling-- carbide tooling is so much stiffer.

And again, if there's another thing I want you guys to take away from this presentation, of all the things that you can do to improve your machining, it is rigidity. Stickout of the tool, size of the core of the tool, gauge length of your work holding, overall rigidity is such a key role in machining. And carbide just absolutely smokes high-speed steel.

You are still going to see high-speed steel in things like cut-off saws, woodruff cutters, drills, form tools, taps. So it's OK. I'm not saying we're banishing it forever. But even if you're getting started and you're bootstrapping, I would really encourage you not to crack open that drawer of Chinese high-speed steel end mills. Go buy yourself a carbide tool for $15, $20, and take care. Use the speeds and feeds here. You're not going to break it.

OK, so first section, summary-- build awareness around basic variables. Make sure you guys have the resources to try something new and not break it. And then some best practices stuff and references are what we're going to come to.

But again, think about speeds and feeds in the context of what you are trying to do. That slide I had with the four blocks across it, are you just trying to get this part made? John Grimsmo was making your cooling platens, right?

And so you don't normally cut big chunks of aluminum. You don't normally slot. So how do you get the resources to just figure something that's outside of your wheelhouse? I normally don't cut tool steel. But if you do it, you want to be able to figure out how to get that done.

What's your goal, though, for other situations of maximizing the tool life, maximizing process reliability, unattended machining, things like that? Make sure you are aware of what is driving the requirement.

Best practices, tips, troubleshooting. So we want to climb cut as a general rule. And going back to how we form a chip, climb cutting causes us, graphics courtesy of Sandvik and Harvey here, to create a thick-to-thin chip. So if we rotate that tool over and start cutting, we've moved it over. We've started cutting a large chip at the beginning. So that's really good because we're not rubbing. We're giving it something to start with.

And then we're thinning it out as we revolve through the cut. What that means is when you're done exiting that cut, you're not tearing off a big chunk, which would be what happens when you down-mill cut or inversion of this. So creating a thick-to-thin chip is a cleaner shear plane; less wear on the tool; less work-hardening, which is really saying less heat; and a larger starting chip.

So because we're starting with the bigger chip and curling it down, it means there's more time spent with a larger chip to transfer the heat into it. Also, to your point, in this case, it exits the chip behind the cut. So if you've seen that rooster tail when guys are doing high-feed machining and you see those chips just whaling off, that's a benefit of climb cutting and a better surface finish.

Thick-to-thin chip, I wanted to watch this little video. I think it's worth it. [INAUDIBLE].

[VIDEO PLAYBACK]

[MUSIC PLAYING]

- How you approach the part is very important. The first thing that we need to consider is how the chips are being formed. In this episode, we'll discuss the golden rule in milling, thick to thin.

If we reference the illustration, there are many things wrong in respect to good milling practice. We're climb milling on one side and conventional milling on the other. We're driving straight down the center of the part. The diameter of the cutter isn't being optimized. And as a result, we're generating thick chips on exit, which lead to edge failure and poor tool life.

The cutter position forms the chip. We want a thick chip as you enter and a thin chip as you exit. In this animation, we're milling straight down the center of the work piece and generating a thin-to-thick-to-thin chip, not a good situation.

When entering, the cutter's rubbing rather than shearing the material. This causes heat and vibration. To ensure proper cutting action, we simply reposition the cutter so that approximately 70% of the diameter is engaged. This ensures immediate cutting action or climb milling. And we're generating a thick-to-thin chip, resulting in less stress on the insert.

There is a wrong way to position the cutter. Notice the areas illustrated with the red explosions. We're now exiting with a thick chip, so the insert is under heavy load. And all of this leads to premature wear and possible insert breakage.

In summary, remember the golden rule, thick to thin. The process should ensure the smallest chip thickness possible when exiting a cut. Proper--

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JOHN SAUNDERS: So again, I just want to emphasize, some of the things about speeds and feeds that are so important are not necessarily the things that you can visually see but, rather, understanding the science behind it. And when you see it explained like that, you kind of realize, wait, if I'm leaving and exiting with a thick chip, you've got this chunk breaking off, which can cause material finish problems, and it can cause chipping on the inserts.

AUDIENCE: For the nerdy [INAUDIBLE] in the room, that's a little bit different concept when you're a manual machine, though.

JOHN SAUNDERS: Sorry, what is a manual machine?

[LAUGHTER]

Next slide. No, I'm kidding.

[LAUGHTER]

So you don't want-- well, do you want to continue? Or do you want me to--

AUDIENCE: No, go ahead.

JOHN SAUNDERS: So the idea is you're not supposed to climb on a Bridgeport, because climb milling is walking along the part. So you've got intrinsic slop usually between the nut and the screw. And as you start that cut, it's going to lurch forward. There's actually some ways you can take that out by preloading before you come into it. To be honest, I don't use manual machines anymore, ever. And I think most people don't. So it's not something I-- I consciously chose not to focus on it, but it is a good point.

What is adaptive? This came up again this week at a dinner, and I think it's really worth bringing up what a game-changer the strategy is. It didn't exist before. And by maintaining a constant engagement, you really are able to change how you program your machine tools and the toolpaths, and use your tooling.

So if you aren't familiar with adaptive, I've got the same pocket here with an adaptive strategy and a non-adaptive. The adaptive has this kind of look of these swirl lines of the toolpaths, and those aren't by accident. And when we compare it against a non-adaptive here where we're just pushing out the toolpath at even increments, that's OK as you're moving along a face.

But as you enter a corner-- you can see I tried to blow up this simulation here-- what's called the tool engagement angle. Basically, you're going to massively change how you engage that cutter as you come into a corner. And the way you solved this before adaptive was you solved for the worst-case scenario. So you would back down your feeds or your speeds because tools deflect. Tools have horsepower requirements. They have rigidity requirements.

And so if you think it's going to give you a problem in a corner or somewhere else, you just say, I've got to run the whole thing a little slower. So adaptive generally takes care of that. There's a bunch of other names that it's called by.

What is absolutely amazing that I want to stress is you can take recipes and tooling that used to be better designed for very, very heavy, rigid machines-- 50 taper or [? lathes. ?] And you're now able to take lighter duty machines, whether that is a drill mill-type machine or even a garage-sized machine, and you're able to cut materials at really good feed rates using thinner cuts. And that's what's awesome.

Remember that picture of that tool that we showed on the Harvey website? And everyone knows what an end mill looks like. The area in between the flutes is called the gullet. It's the negative space.

When you cut, the chip has to go somewhere. By using an adaptive strategy, we're forming a thinner chip. Generally, it's taller because we're using more of the tool. And that chip naturally forms inside that gullet. That's a good thing. It also tends to evacuate really well. That's a good thing.

The other benefit is we can have more flute counts. More flute counts means we can go faster. The other benefit is the more flutes that you have, the smaller the gullet. That's OK because we're forming a chip that naturally fits in that gullet.

Where you get the benefit is a thicker core. And having a thicker core means you've got a stiffer tool. And that is not a negligible fact. Going between the exact same tool in a two-flute and a four-flute version, the four-flute will be stiffer.

Tyson Lamb, if you follow him on Instagram, is now cutting his putters on a Haas machine-- a great machine, not a 50-taper Makino though-- stainless steel with a seven-flute end mill at something like 300 inches per minute, reliably, with pretty high material removal rate using adaptive strategies. They are absolutely awesome. I know it's become kind of a household word and just the go-to [? roughing ?] strategy in Fusion, but don't take them for granted as it relates to speeds and feeds.

Part tolerances, what does that have to do with speeds and feeds? Cutting tools deflect. And that's not a if scenario. It's an always scenario. They are always deflecting. Even if you take a relatively stiff tool and you cut with a good recipe on a free machining material, I challenge you. Go home. Put a Sharpie line on that, or [INAUDIBLE], and go recut it. That line will be gone, and you'll be forming yet again another chip.

What that means, if you're creating chips on a spring pass, is that the first pass didn't necessarily create it to dimension. So how does that play a role in this? Depending on the tolerances you're trying to achieve, you either need to account for that deflection, or you need to take spring passes.

I'm not against spring passes in every situation. But remember what we've talked about about chip formation. Spring passes are likely going to involve some amount of heat generation or rubbing. I do it a lot. I know [INAUDIBLE], who I talk to the most about machining, does it a lot on his knives. So I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. But it's not always a good answer.

And we also do a lot of-- it's not really cutter comp in the sense of a machine tool cutter comp, but we will program our toolpath strategies to know how that's going to deflect. So we kind of overcut based on what we know that spring pass is going to be-- or the deflection, excuse me.

AUDIENCE: John?

JOHN SAUNDERS: Yes?

AUDIENCE: So this whole process in Fusion, though, of roughing and multiple finishing passes, the idea is to make your last cut small, but not a burnished cut.

JOHN SAUNDERS: Not a burnished cut, and there's a few different ways to do that. That's a really good strategy-- again, it depends on whether you're production or whether the stakes are high. But it can be really good to separate your roughing and finishing tools even if they're the identical tool.

Let your finisher be your finisher. And over time, it could become the rougher. But you're going to keep that tool in better condition, and you're going to keep it sharper. And you're going to get better tolerances because it's going to do a better job of doing its job, which is a relatively small amount of time in the cut compared to the rougher.

And you can also start mixing in some axial strategies. So you can use something like a boring operation, or walking down where you're putting some of the deflection or the tool pressure axially, not radially, which can actually help increase your tolerances. Now, the consequence of that or the price you pay is you're going to be cutting more with the leading edge of the tool. So you're going to be putting more work on that, which can cause more wear, if that makes sense.

I'm not really going to talk about these, but you can print this out from the handouts, or you can just go google it and download it. But lots of the more industry big players-- so the Sandviks and Secos and so forth-- are going to use a lot of these words or terminology. And to be honest, I don't know a lot of them by heart. I don't use them in my daily machinist talk at the shop. So I have a little printout version of this at my desk so that I don't look like an idiot when I'm trying to figure out what the heck the insert box says when you're trying to figure something out.

So the zigzag method-- so how do you figure out a recipe? We've talked about feed. We talked about speed. In that Excel sheet that you should download, there's some discussions about your depth of cut and your width of cut. Again, when we're doing high-speed machining strategies like adaptive or finishing, the great thing is we can use more of the tool that we bought. If our quarter-inch end mill has a 1-inch length of cut, I can now use all 1 inches of that or 950 of it to do my adaptive strategies around-- so I've got more axial depth of cut, less radial depth of cut.

The question is then, where do you push yourself? How do you increase your material removal rates, or how do you increase your productivity, or really push a tool to get it dialed in? So the recommendation I would have or that I learned is called the zigzag method.

So the first thing we're going to do is take those two variables out. We're going to decide what we want to strive for in terms of an axial depth of cut-- so how deep with the tool and how wide we're going to cut with it. Now, the whole thing has to be iterative. There may be a point where you've got to come back and say, you know what? Maybe I should just take less radial cut and see if I can rework this. But you've got to have a rhyme or a reason.

And so what I really encourage you to do when you're working up a recipe-- and basically, you're just going to alternate. In this case, I've decided a quarter-inch tool, four-flute, 200 surface speed at 7.5 tenths is how I think of that, just under 0.001 of an inch feed per tooth.

If that works, you're going to simply start alternating between increasing the surface speed and increasing the chip load per tooth as you bounce up. So the next recipe, I have not changed the chip load per tooth, but I've gone a little bit higher in surface speed. If that works, we'll leave the surface speed there, and we'll increase the chip load per tooth. You have to have a rhyme or reason to how you go about doing this.

The one thing I'll mention here too is that chatter is never OK. If you subject a tool to chatter, you can have almost immediately compromised it. And it's much, much, much more rewarding to start with something that works and work your way up than to start with something that's too aggressive that chatters, or that breaks the tools, or that causes problems.

We've chip-welded aluminum in end mills, and I'll be lying if I said I didn't grab a pair of pliers and pulled the aluminum out and reused the tool. But you've compromised that tool to some extent. So it takes a little bit of time, but well worth it.

Constant tool pressure, this is something I've got to give a shout out to Lockwood for having shed what is now very obvious light on. But when we're doing surfacing or we're trying to get really good tolerances or finishes, you've got to present that tool with the same amount of material to cut.

So in this case, Xbox controller, I've done a 3D adaptive here. And as pretty common, I'm left with a stair-stepped case. If I immediately went in in the top row and surfaced that-- sorry. In this example, when I'm surfacing, I'm going to be presenting that ball or bull nose end mill with varying amounts of material. That is going to cause deflection, period.

So what we often would recommend doing is another adaptive strategy. You can check rest machining. So you're not going to be cutting air or recutting things you don't need to cut. And using rest machining now with a bull or ball nose end mill, you're going to be able to present the final surfacing operation with a much more constant amount of material.

Corners are the weakest part of the tool, so get rid of them. This is an example of a pretty standard, pretty reasonably priced quarter-inch end mill where you can see it's still called a square end mill. But in the description, our geometry includes a 3 to 5 THOU corner radius.

So if you think about my arm as the flute and my tip of my fingernail being the actual tip of the cutting tool, that is, by far, the weakest point of that tool. And if anyone's ever broken a bandsaw blade, you know that things don't get better after you break one tooth. Because then the next tooth is presented with even more material, and it's a downward spiral.

So by getting rid of the weakest tip of the part of that tool, you're increasing the strength. And for most of us, we certainly aren't doing parts where they're getting subjected to 3-thou corner rad inspection. So most of time, it's OK. It is worth knowing if you're using one.

Microscopes are absolutely awesome. And in fact, I forgot to mention back on a previous slide, which is worth going back to, when we were talking about the feed per tooth-- here we go. This is from when actually John Grimsmo and I were up in Toronto, touring a shop. This is a microscope view. This was a Norseman?

AUDIENCE: Yeah, [? the ?] handle.

JOHN SAUNDERS: OK, so the handle on the side of his knife. And the picture isn't great. Sorry, it's a still grab from a video. But you can actually see what are called the feed-forward lines or the feed per tooth lines. Because when you're cutting with a round tool, you're taking cylindrical scallops out of the material.

That's very different than, say, a lathe-- ironically, lathes, where lots of things a round-- but you're presenting the tool in a constant engagement. So you're able to generally turn really good finishes right off a lathe, where machining or milling, much harder to do.

And what was awesome about this picture is John was-- you were trying to understand why there was a different kind of aesthetic to this straight wall. Keep in mind, this whole section is probably 100-thou. Quite small.

And then right above it-- and again, sorry. The picture's either black or blown out. He's using a corner rounder tool. And you can see, if you look, that there are different feed-forward intervals or feed-per-tooth intervals between the flat face that was cut with an end mill and the corner-rounded area. And there was something-- you learned something, from? Like, you had the wrong--

AUDIENCE: Yeah, I thought my math was right. But looking at the results, clearly, they were off. So one's a fourth of a tool, and the other's [INAUDIBLE] or whatever. And they have to be altered [? feed-wise ?] so they match.

JOHN SAUNDERS: Right. And we've done that as well. So we've had tools where we've accidentally had the description typed correctly that it's a three-flute end mill. But somehow, me or somebody made a mistake in the Fusion tool library and typed four-flute. And we're programming off of that. And so a microscope will let you see things like the fact that your feed-forward lines are different. Very cool.

We picked up a microscope probably about a year ago, and it probably gets used every two to three hours in our shop, looking at parts, looking at tooling, looking at inserts, looking at end mills. Very, very useful tool.

The slide has-- it's a screenshot of our web page on this. But we have three different microscopes in our shop. The first one is a $5 45x loupe off Amazon or eBay. If you are, in any way, involved in machining, I would please request that you go purchase this. It is well worth it. And there's some USB microscopes that are pretty inexpensive.

And then getting into anything real is usually going to be $1,000-plus. So it may not be for everybody. But if you are doing cutting tool-type work, well worth it.

AUDIENCE: The median-cost USB microscopes are amazing, including on-screen measuring features.

JOHN SAUNDERS: $100, it's like a pen-size thing, USB to any computer. Really pretty amazing.

AUDIENCE: [? It's ?] pretty good with [INAUDIBLE] less than that.

JOHN SAUNDERS: Say again.

AUDIENCE: [? It's ?] pretty good for even less than that.

JOHN SAUNDERS: OK, so apparently they're even cheaper than $100. sure. Again, pretty cool.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

JOHN SAUNDERS: Say again.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

JOHN SAUNDERS: Yeah.

AUDIENCE: Would you recommend that versus [INAUDIBLE]?

AUDIENCE: It's USB for the on-screen measuring--

AUDIENCE: Oh, right.

AUDIENCE: --which is a pretty neat combo.

JOHN SAUNDERS: Yeah, be--

AUDIENCE: How does that calibrate [INAUDIBLE]?

JOHN SAUNDERS: Right.

AUDIENCE: You throw in a ball bearing or a rule or something you know. And it has a calibration. At least the one I have has a calibration [? on it. ?]

JOHN SAUNDERS: You can put a scale in there, and some include little clear, transparent objects. You've got to be careful about the magnification. And these aren't substitutes for things like-- I'm blanking on the word-- optical comparators and so forth.

AUDIENCE: Yeah, not in this price range.

JOHN SAUNDERS: Right. The reason I would sell you on a microscope is the ability to have a very, very zoomed-in, rich view. You can understand what's happening. Is the tool chipped? Is there a coding failure? That's what's useful. I'm not as keen on some of the measuring-type stuff.

Coming back to this, though, keep it rigid. Keep it short. I can't emphasize this enough. When you look at a CAT40 tool holder, there's a gauge length. And adding 1 inch of really, really thick material-- so you turn a tool holder from this long into this long. You may think that that's not different. It is different. Keep it short when possible.

I wanted to touch on small tools, which I'm throwing out here as anything under 1/8 of an inch. It's probably really more like stepping into the 80 THOU and under where you've got to be pretty concerned.

High flute count can help with a thicker core, which helps with strength. But I have found they're easy to break. And a lot of times, you break them because of-- as best I can tell, from chip evacuation issues or chip recutting.

So remember we were talking about chip load per tooth. As you rotate that tool through and you form that chip, well, what happens if, as I'm coming through it at a 0.001 of an inch feed per tooth, and I'm rotating it through and I throw another chip in there that's already been cut? You've at least probably doubled your chip load per tooth.

You're also going to present a bunch of very small events that happen in terms of the shock, the increased deflection, the increased power requirement. And it can be and often is catastrophic. Big, big roughing tool may not be as big of an issue. Small tools, it is.

Tool run-out is critical. I've heard a industry stat from a guy who's a pretty sharp guy that every 0.0001 of an inch of run-out affects your tool life by about 10%. Because if you think about it, as you rotate a tool around-- let's say we're at 0.001 of an inch feed per tooth. So this flute's cutting 0.001 of an inch, and this flute's cutting 0.001 of an inch.

Well, if my tool has 3/10 run-out, one flute is cutting 7/10, and the other flute is actually cutting 1.3-thou. All of a sudden, what seemed like a negligible number is resulting in something like a 40% or 50% difference between the two, and this is happening thousands of times per minute. So you've got things like affecting the surface finish; again, affecting the harmonics; ping-ponging the end mill itself. So on small end mills, I don't have a rule of thumb for you other than that we will try to dial them into under 3/10 run-out using an indicator on the flute or sometimes on the shank.

Your feed-per-tooth rules that we were talking about change. Remember I was talking about the knife edge and how you don't want to take a cut per tooth that's less than the thickness? I cannot tell you why this is, but the world of micro-machining violates that willingly.

I have had pretty good success using the Harvey tools and talking to them, and they have phone support in feeds and speeds, and pretty reasonably priced tooling that has been a good result. So I'll leave it at that. But that's been my go-to on small tooling.

I think I've probably run out of time here. But CAM templates, if you don't use them, you absolutely should. I don't know how unique our way of using them-- I don't know if this is a unique way, but it's, I think, the right way, which is I have this horribly designed widget.

It doesn't really mean anything. But this is my template file. Because when I want to update a recipe, update a template, I've got to push that template out. So I have, you can see here, Tormach 1100 aluminum, Haas VM-3 soft jaws. I don't think this is actually my latest one.

But if I want to change a template-- and this is the workflow I think that should probably get better in Fusion, hopefully with time. But I use this file as a way to update the recipe and push it out because our tool library only holds things like speeds and feeds. It doesn't hold the width of cut. It doesn't hold settings like spring passes and so forth. So tool templates, although not directly as speeds and feeds things, really are key on that front.

AUDIENCE: Can I share [INAUDIBLE]?

JOHN SAUNDERS: Yeah, absolutely.

AUDIENCE: I think that [INAUDIBLE]. But it works fairly well [INAUDIBLE] open it up all the time. You can share that file with other viewers [INAUDIBLE].

JOHN SAUNDERS: Yes, exactly. Yeah. We offer our CAM templates to our NYC site as a pro membership thing, which is not why-- I'm not here to shill for that. But it is a very, very rich thing to have recipes that work and have been actually vetted by other folks.

Standardization, what I'm simply mentioning here is there's some controversy behind how much you need to know and learn about speeds and feeds. And I would say don't worry about it. Most of us don't know how the inner workings of our car are designed. We just go drive our cars. And if you don't know all the details behind the feeds and speeds but they let you make good parts, good to go.

This is important. So what are your enemies? Recutting chip, big problem-- increases your chip load. It can damage the tool, affects tolerance, affects surface finish. It really matters.

Coolant comes in, chip evacuation. It's one reason why slotting is so difficult to do well. Chatter is a big problem. Usually, the first answer on chatter is just reduce your surface footage. Outside of that-- and use a smaller diameter tool, especially on lighter duty machine tools.

Like, for the Tormach guys, don't use 3/8-inch and half-inch solid carbide tooling. You can run the heck out of a quarter-inch tool and get better removal rates. You'll lose some stiffness on longer tools. But generally speaking, the smaller diameters are easier to get dialed in.

Tool run-out is a big deal, and in small numbers. When you start dealing with really small increments, especially on small tooling, don't think because they're small values to you that they aren't still big changes as presented to the tool. In other words, dropping your chip load from 8/10 to 6/10 is actually a substantial change even though you don't think that that's that big a difference.

You can download this. This is some of the common tools that we like to use for engraving. And full disclosure, we've not tried this one yet, but heard great things and looking forward to picking one up soon.

Coolant-- I want to mention this because I remember hearing a friend who was breaking taps in titanium. And he couldn't figure it out, and he's pretty sharp. And it ends up that something had happened where maybe he'd switched from using distilled water to the water supply in the shop, which had a high fluoride content from the public water utility. And it was that fluoride content that was causing taps to break.

This is why you need to have a relationship with folks like tooling vendors, because I can't give you that equivalent scenario for all these different types of things. It's going to become more of an issue in exotic materials or things like tapping. You just can't ever become the expert. So building out that network of folks-- the guy who's driving around to all the shops, dealing with this, is going to have a better chance of helping you out.

But coolant absolutely matters-- the water quality that you put into it, measuring your bricks, making sure you're using the right coolant. And then we've added auxiliary filter system because if you are pushing cut chips through your coolant nozzles, you are going to be recutting chips.

Cool stuff-- if you don't know about high-feed mills, look into them. The benefit of a high-feed mill is it's actually pushing a lot of the cutting forces axially into the tool, which can help you, again, make use of a slightly less rigid machine tool, or really long stickouts. Instead of pushing against the side of the tool, you're pushing straight up, which has some big benefits.

Can't say enough about through-spindle coolant, partly because of what I've already been saying, chip evacuation. There's a pretty darn high probability that when the coolant is high PSI presented at the cutting area, it's going to evacuate that chip, whether it's a drill, an end mill, a high-feed mill, a saw, a carbide. That's one of the great things about through-spindle coolant.

There are some pretty cool diamond tooling. This is a mold from MITS. And the trick there is really just MCD and PCD, which is mono and polycrystalline diamond-type tooling.

Active dampening is a very cool technology that has some real staying power when it comes to the ability to do harmonic dampening or active dampers across stickouts. And the good news is the rest is just resources. So you guys can download this.

But walking through some different things you can use, McMaster-Carr is a great, quick way to get information off the internet that's generally going to be reliable about things like the hardness of your aluminum. What's the Brinell hardness of aluminum? I'm going to trust McMaster more than I'm going to trust the blog on material stuff.

There's some really good information on twist drills, which are great tools. I highly encourage anyone out there who's looking to get into machining or product, form tools are not out of reach. They're relatively inexpensive and can really help you consolidate cutting processes. Or if you're limited on your number of ATC positions, look into form tools.

MyAlro is a place where you can get free information-- excuse me, free quotes without an account on material. And you can pull up some pretty good material information. We already talked about the Machining Pro.

And I'm working on a new project relating to speeds and feeds. So if anyone's interested, happy to talk about that more. I'm being told to stop. We're done. Any questions?

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We use Upsellit to collect data about your behavior on our sites. This may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. We use this data to measure our site performance and evaluate the ease of your online experience, so we can enhance our features. We also use advanced analytics methods to optimize your experience with email, customer support, and sales. Upsellit Privacy Policy
CJ Affiliates
We use CJ Affiliates to collect data about your behavior on our sites. This may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. We use this data to measure our site performance and evaluate the ease of your online experience, so we can enhance our features. We also use advanced analytics methods to optimize your experience with email, customer support, and sales. CJ Affiliates Privacy Policy
Commission Factory
We use Commission Factory to collect data about your behavior on our sites. This may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. We use this data to measure our site performance and evaluate the ease of your online experience, so we can enhance our features. We also use advanced analytics methods to optimize your experience with email, customer support, and sales. Commission Factory Privacy Policy
Google Analytics (Strictly Necessary)
We use Google Analytics (Strictly Necessary) to collect data about your behavior on our sites. This may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, and your Autodesk ID. We use this data to measure our site performance and evaluate the ease of your online experience, so we can enhance our features. We also use advanced analytics methods to optimize your experience with email, customer support, and sales. Google Analytics (Strictly Necessary) Privacy Policy
Typepad Stats
We use Typepad Stats to collect data about your behaviour on our sites. This may include pages you’ve visited. We use this data to measure our site performance and evaluate the ease of your online experience, so we can enhance our platform to provide the most relevant content. This allows us to enhance your overall user experience. Typepad Stats Privacy Policy
Geo Targetly
We use Geo Targetly to direct website visitors to the most appropriate web page and/or serve tailored content based on their location. Geo Targetly uses the IP address of a website visitor to determine the approximate location of the visitor’s device. This helps ensure that the visitor views content in their (most likely) local language.Geo Targetly Privacy Policy
SpeedCurve
We use SpeedCurve to monitor and measure the performance of your website experience by measuring web page load times as well as the responsiveness of subsequent elements such as images, scripts, and text.SpeedCurve Privacy Policy
Qualified
Qualified is the Autodesk Live Chat agent platform. This platform provides services to allow our customers to communicate in real-time with Autodesk support. We may collect unique ID for specific browser sessions during a chat. Qualified Privacy Policy

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Google Optimize
We use Google Optimize to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Google Optimize Privacy Policy
ClickTale
We use ClickTale to better understand where you may encounter difficulties with our sites. We use session recording to help us see how you interact with our sites, including any elements on our pages. Your Personally Identifiable Information is masked and is not collected. ClickTale Privacy Policy
OneSignal
We use OneSignal to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by OneSignal. Ads are based on both OneSignal data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that OneSignal has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to OneSignal to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. OneSignal Privacy Policy
Optimizely
We use Optimizely to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Optimizely Privacy Policy
Amplitude
We use Amplitude to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Amplitude Privacy Policy
Snowplow
We use Snowplow to collect data about your behavior on our sites. This may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, and your Autodesk ID. We use this data to measure our site performance and evaluate the ease of your online experience, so we can enhance our features. We also use advanced analytics methods to optimize your experience with email, customer support, and sales. Snowplow Privacy Policy
UserVoice
We use UserVoice to collect data about your behaviour on our sites. This may include pages you’ve visited. We use this data to measure our site performance and evaluate the ease of your online experience, so we can enhance our platform to provide the most relevant content. This allows us to enhance your overall user experience. UserVoice Privacy Policy
Clearbit
Clearbit allows real-time data enrichment to provide a personalized and relevant experience to our customers. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID.Clearbit Privacy Policy
YouTube
YouTube is a video sharing platform which allows users to view and share embedded videos on our websites. YouTube provides viewership metrics on video performance. YouTube Privacy Policy

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Adobe Analytics
We use Adobe Analytics to collect data about your behavior on our sites. This may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, and your Autodesk ID. We use this data to measure our site performance and evaluate the ease of your online experience, so we can enhance our features. We also use advanced analytics methods to optimize your experience with email, customer support, and sales. Adobe Analytics Privacy Policy
Google Analytics (Web Analytics)
We use Google Analytics (Web Analytics) to collect data about your behavior on our sites. This may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. We use this data to measure our site performance and evaluate the ease of your online experience, so we can enhance our features. We also use advanced analytics methods to optimize your experience with email, customer support, and sales. Google Analytics (Web Analytics) Privacy Policy
AdWords
We use AdWords to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by AdWords. Ads are based on both AdWords data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that AdWords has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to AdWords to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. AdWords Privacy Policy
Marketo
We use Marketo to send you more timely and relevant email content. To do this, we collect data about your online behavior and your interaction with the emails we send. Data collected may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, email open rates, links clicked, and others. We may combine this data with data collected from other sources to offer you improved sales or customer service experiences, as well as more relevant content based on advanced analytics processing. Marketo Privacy Policy
Doubleclick
We use Doubleclick to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Doubleclick. Ads are based on both Doubleclick data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Doubleclick has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Doubleclick to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Doubleclick Privacy Policy
HubSpot
We use HubSpot to send you more timely and relevant email content. To do this, we collect data about your online behavior and your interaction with the emails we send. Data collected may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, email open rates, links clicked, and others. HubSpot Privacy Policy
Twitter
We use Twitter to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Twitter. Ads are based on both Twitter data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Twitter has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Twitter to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Twitter Privacy Policy
Facebook
We use Facebook to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Facebook. Ads are based on both Facebook data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Facebook has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Facebook to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Facebook Privacy Policy
LinkedIn
We use LinkedIn to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by LinkedIn. Ads are based on both LinkedIn data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that LinkedIn has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to LinkedIn to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. LinkedIn Privacy Policy
Yahoo! Japan
We use Yahoo! Japan to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Yahoo! Japan. Ads are based on both Yahoo! Japan data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Yahoo! Japan has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Yahoo! Japan to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Yahoo! Japan Privacy Policy
Naver
We use Naver to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Naver. Ads are based on both Naver data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Naver has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Naver to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Naver Privacy Policy
Quantcast
We use Quantcast to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Quantcast. Ads are based on both Quantcast data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Quantcast has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Quantcast to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Quantcast Privacy Policy
Call Tracking
We use Call Tracking to provide customized phone numbers for our campaigns. This gives you faster access to our agents and helps us more accurately evaluate our performance. We may collect data about your behavior on our sites based on the phone number provided. Call Tracking Privacy Policy
Wunderkind
We use Wunderkind to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Wunderkind. Ads are based on both Wunderkind data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Wunderkind has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Wunderkind to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Wunderkind Privacy Policy
ADC Media
We use ADC Media to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by ADC Media. Ads are based on both ADC Media data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that ADC Media has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to ADC Media to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. ADC Media Privacy Policy
AgrantSEM
We use AgrantSEM to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by AgrantSEM. Ads are based on both AgrantSEM data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that AgrantSEM has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to AgrantSEM to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. AgrantSEM Privacy Policy
Bidtellect
We use Bidtellect to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bidtellect. Ads are based on both Bidtellect data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bidtellect has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bidtellect to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bidtellect Privacy Policy
Bing
We use Bing to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bing. Ads are based on both Bing data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bing has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bing to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bing Privacy Policy
G2Crowd
We use G2Crowd to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by G2Crowd. Ads are based on both G2Crowd data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that G2Crowd has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to G2Crowd to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. G2Crowd Privacy Policy
NMPI Display
We use NMPI Display to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by NMPI Display. Ads are based on both NMPI Display data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that NMPI Display has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to NMPI Display to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. NMPI Display Privacy Policy
VK
We use VK to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by VK. Ads are based on both VK data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that VK has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to VK to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. VK Privacy Policy
Adobe Target
We use Adobe Target to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Adobe Target Privacy Policy
Google Analytics (Advertising)
We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
Trendkite
We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
Hotjar
We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
6 Sense
We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
Terminus
We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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