Collaborate with AutoCAD Plant 3D and BIM 360 Team

CARSTEN BEINECKE: My standard disclaimer, I'm from Germany. It is said that Germans are always negative. That's not true. We are just realistic.

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: We are not too positive, so that's for the sales people. I'm a product manager for Plant tools, which are applications for AutoCAD Plant 3D and P&ID.

I have to talk to customers and I cannot promise something you cannot deliver. And in this class the focus is on AutoCAD Plant 3D 2018 with BIM 360 team. So the 2018 version is the first version of Plant 3D where the collaboration is built in the software. You will share your project with your team members of contractors or customers with whomever you want.

We also have a booth here. Second year in a row. If you want to visit us, I have some brochures about Plant tools. But again, focus is here today the Plant 360 version.

OK, collaboration. Double L? Collaboration? Yeah, I think so. So class description. I copied that from my proposal to Autodesk. So yeah, this is what this session is about.

I have only relatively few slides. So the ones of you who attended my classes in previous years know that I think always do live demos. Not in 2010. There was only a speaker. So I will have a few slides to give you an overview and then I do a live demo, which just reminds me that I should start my VMware.

Of course, just before I came into the class, my Windows wanted to update. So it was done in time. Some slides I have and then I will do a live demo. And if everything fails, I still have a video. The presentation I'm delivering here as well as the handout is available online through the class.

And also in the handout or in the Word document there is a link to a video. It's 34 minutes, which covers everything I show here. So you can review it. Maybe the Autodesk online team will also put the link to the video on AU Online. But there is definitely a link in the handout of this session here. OK. Yeah, I should look here.

So how does it work? What's the, let's say, workflow? If you are used to Plant 3D and you work in a network environment, and now you want to work with a cloud, essentially. So the first thing what you need to do, if you not already have a so-called BIM 360 Team Hub. That's essentially just a location on BIM 360 Team on which you can create projects. Not Plant 3D projects. They are BIM 360 Team projects and they are Plant projects.

So you need to create a hub, or in my case my company has a hub. So I can use that to put my Plant project under there. And then you create a BIM 360 Team project in that hub. And then there are project settings for the BIM 360 Team project. Not talking about the Plant project setup. Some screenshots. But again, you will see all of them during my presentation.

If you created the project, you either then or at any other time can invite-- here it says team members-- but it could be anyone. Just by email. You need only the email and you can invite them. And you can assign a role to that person.

There are currently two roles. Either an editor, if I'm not mistaken, editor, and viewer. Actually, I cannot read it. Looks better on my screen. So probably, yeah. We will see.

The next step is then, you've prepared BIM 360 Team so to speak, and then you start Plant 3D. You have your Plant 3D project loaded. And then you just share that project to BIM 360 Team. So you upload it, essentially. That's the whole [INAUDIBLE]. And then you wait until it's uploaded. And I will say some words to that when we are at that stage in the presentation. Since we have to wait, I have time to talk then.

And then we will look at some options. How you can set some options in Plant 360, which have to do with BIM 360 Team. So when should the drawings be, let's say, uploaded or checked in? When do we want to refresh? So there are some, let's say, tasks you can perform. And we will go through all these individual tasks.

Limitations. So as I said, I'm from Germany, so I'm a realist. I looked at what's the advantage and what are the disadvantages of using Plant 3D with BIM 360 Team. And the advantage is you do not need to worry about anything like SQL Server set up in your company or whatever because your project is then in the cloud. Again, you don't need a SQL Server. There is still a database like you have in Plant 3D, but no need for SQL Server set up involving IT or whatever.

Of course since the project is in the cloud, all your drawings are in the cloud. People you invited can look at your drawings. That applies also to P&ID drawings. But in 3D, you can nicely rotate it. There is no additional need for uploading anything. It's already in there. So that's a big advantage. And of course, Autodesk is continuously extending the functionality of all their cloud products. So if it's already in the cloud, you can use it, or you can do more and more stuff. And we have a lot of conversations here at AU about future possibilities. So there is more to come.

But as I said, there are also limitations, or, let's say, obstacles. Not necessarily limitations. Maybe it's a wrong expression. Let's say hurdles or obstacles.

So speed. The project is in the cloud. And of course, depending on your company's or your own internet connection, uploading a drawing or downloading a drawing, that runs over your internet. So depending on the internet speed of your company, that can be a good. A friend of mine has a home office. He has a fiber optic cable in his house, so he has 500 MB at home, so that's nice. I have 25, so big difference.

So that can be a struggle. But of course, companies or telecommunication companies provide faster and faster connections. So that may be obsolete in a short period of time, depending on where you live or what are you willing to pay. So that could be a struggle.

And then there is something which in my view disrupts a little bit the flow of your project. And I will show that. I want to explain it. Your project is in the cloud and two people work. One person works on one P&ID and the other person on the second P&ID. And let's say you just started fresh, and I try to show that. Should work. And this is why I have VMware as a second person, so to speak. A virtual machine.

So you have two drawings opened by two different people on two different machines. And the first person inserts a [INAUDIBLE] that gets number 101, for example. When the other person inserts the [INAUDIBLE], that also gets 101 because they all work at that moment locally and they didn't save the drawing yet. So up until that point, everyone uses the same tag. Which, of course, if you are used to Plant 3D, would not happen. Or you would get a message instantly when typing in.

If the second person types in the tag or, depending on the setup. But, let's say, types in 101. You don't get this instant notification, OK, that tag is already in use. You cannot use it again. So what happens is at some point one of the persons saves the drawing. That's saved. The drawing is saved back to the cloud, depending on the setup. You will see later.

AUDIENCE: Saved or checked in?

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, I will get to it when I come to the options. If you use Plant 3D and share the project, the default setup, as soon as I save the drawing, the drawing will be checked in but will be kept open for continuous editing. But it will be checked in and kept open, so to speak. Or kept checked out. But you can change that. I will get back to that later on.

So the first person, his tag is saved. Now the second person saves. And since the tag, 101, is now locked by the first person who saved, he gets a notification that there is an issue now because 101 is already used. So he gets a notification and Plant 3D will then add a question mark at the end of the tag. That's how Plant 3D does it, let's say, also in a standard local setup or workflow.

And so that means that, OK, there is a question mark. So there is not other tag. Everything is fine. But you as a user have to then go there at some point and fix it. Increase the number or change the numbers so that you change it to 102 and then you save.

Of course, I can show that example. That's pretty easy. And you say, OK, I can fix that. But nothing about a real PIN ID. Not just what I will show with a few [INAUDIBLE]. So that can be kind of a struggle and that would be regarding tags.

And then I recognized something. We developed our Plant tools. And these Plant tools have their own settings, a bunch of them. Mainly XML files. And they are stored in the project in a separate folder. Interestingly, if you upload the project, the whole folder structure, whatever you created, no matter if it's Plant tools or some folder you created for your template files for some Excel sheets or whatever, the folder structure, that gets uploaded, but not the files. So kind of interesting. But again, there will be certainly improvement in the future.

Just want to mention the current state and I cannot talk-- NDA and so on-- I cannot talk about what's coming. OK, that's it on PowerPoint. And if you want to visit us, booth A425. OK, where is my mouse? So that's my VMware. I don't need that yet. Hold on. Powers I don't have. Let's see. Just want to check because if I don't have power, then I may not get the full CPU speed. We will see. OK. That's my VMware. I will get back to that.

OK so this is my company's BIM 360 Team Hub. So my colleagues and I, in preparation for this session, created one. But I will create a new one. So that from my company, whatever they do. So I want to create a new one. By the way, sorry for the German user interface. My personal setting on BIM 360 on my Autodesk account is in English, but apparently BIM 360 doesn't care about my personal settings. I have to talk to my colleague how I can change it.

So what I will do is I create a new project. A new project in this hub. So I type in a name. Whatever name I want. [INAUDIBLE]. Then there are some default images you can use. But I can also-- why I'm here now? Oh, OK. Well, you can select. I didn't plug in my external drive. I don't want to now. But as you can see from here, I usually had a different logo, so I will skip that. Just use that one. And that's about it. Takes a few seconds. And then, OK. It should be a little bit faster.

So then I can switch to get-- well, it's already entering. So now I am already in the project. And later on we will see the Plant project here, so I keep that open. Also, either now or later on, you can invite people to your project. So there is a button. In English, it would be Invite. And in the video, I use my English VMware. There everything is in English, I think. So there you will see the buttons and the user interface in English.

So I will invite myself with my private email address. And if I can type my name right. I cannot, apparently. It's too small. And the role there is editor and viewer. So editor. I want to be able to edit other files in that project, so I select editor. And you can add more and more people. Or it wants to add.

So invitation will be sent. There will be an email sent to that person. I could go into Outlook and show you, but I think you trust me. In this email, there is a link to that project, but there is no need for clicking on that link. And, let's say, acknowledge or, what is word, accept the invitation. It's just a reminder that you are invited. But since it's me I'm inviting, so I do not need to do that.

OK, so that's it. Now we can start Plant 3D. And even though I have an SSD, it will take a little bit. But really strange. That's not the [INAUDIBLE]. That's not going to work. Why is it-- I just play my colleague from the booth. So hopefully it's a little bit faster now.

In preparation, I already have my latest project here. We'll close some dialogues. Don't get confused with any [? pallets ?] or dialogues you might see. That comes from our Plant tools. But here I have a project. There is a P&ID, or actually several P&IDs in there. And also some 3D drawings.

It's uploading the project in a moment to the cloud. If you want to test that, I recommend creating a project and delete any spec, pipe spec, you don't need. Because it uploads all the pipe specs. And by default, if you create a brand new project and you want to play around with it, you have all the pipe specs from your content folder in there. So it just takes longer if you're just interested in testing a little bit.

I will open a drawing just to show a message, which will appear in a moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Later, not now.

OK so then there is an additional ribbon called Collaboration. And there are only a few buttons. And the first one is what we use right now, Share Project. You get a dialogue explaining the three steps. Oh, come on. Ah, no. Cannot. OK.

Apparently, do I have? Then I will use a different project, the one I actually use as preparation. Never change. So I don't have 3D drawings here, but that's not a problem. So I will open a drawing again. And try again.

So you cannot upload the project or share the project if you have a drawing of that project open. It asked you whether or not you want to close it, which I accept. And then it will show me all my available hubs I have available. I have more than just the one you saw in my browser from our company. There are some other ones I have available. Project Category, for example, was the one when this was a better version. It was called Project Category. So there is an older desktop we were able to use for testing. But I, of course, want to use the BIM 360 Hub I showed you.

And then you see the two projects. One was existing. Craig is a friend and customer of ours, so we joke about the English tense forms. The one above is the one I created. Carsten's AU 2017 Project. So I will select that and then we wait. Hopefully it runs. Perfect.

Sometimes I had a problem on my machine just when I wanted to start writing my material for the class. I don't know what it was. So now it's uploading. And again, the fewer files you have for testing, not with real project, but if you want to test the fewer files you have, you can remove any isometric configuration. Did I say isometric? Yeah, that's OK. I thought I said isogenic. That's a wrong term.

So isometric configuration, you might not need. You can delete. But it's mostly the specs which are a few MBs, so you can save that time. [INAUDIBLE] as fast as we can.

This is the process which happens just once. It's loading your local project or local or network project into the cloud. And from that time on only the, let's say, differences will be up or downloaded. Yep.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: I would think so. No, you say no?

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, I cannot see any reason why that should be an issue. Maybe if the person who tried to upload it didn't have the editor role, just a viewer role, then it's not, I would--

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, yeah, sure. Go ahead.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, OK. So the dialogue you saw before, 123, this would be step number three. So you also can invite team members here. But that only brings you back to the home page. And since I already invited myself, there is no need to do that on here.

OK now in Project Manager, we see a different icon, B, for the BIM products. And under there, it also looks a bit different. So you see the drawings and there is a dot in front of it, which is now just gray.

And what happens if I now click on a drawing. And again, that's the default setup. I will get to the options in a moment. So if I double click, it will be checked out. So it means it loads the drawing from the cloud to a local copy of your project. There's also then a check sign in front of it, meaning that you have it. You're currently working on that, so to speak.

OK, some options I was talking about. So that's the dialogue with some options you can change the first one is, again, you are now working through means by the cloud. So if one person makes changes to the project setup, or to some other files in the project, or creates to the project. And then by this interval of by default 50 minutes every other team member who is currently working on that project, the project files or whatever you change, whatever someone changed, will be synchronized or they'll be checked to the local copy of the project.

So you see then a notification. You have to check, again, by your internet connection. Is it too short, so you can change the time. And you can also make it a manual check.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: The drawings itself, that that's the next part. So that's really for changes on the project setup, for example. Yeah, I can keep it here for 15 minutes.

So if you make changes now to the drawing, there is an option when. So first of all, if you, for example, make a-- what does it say? Check out drawing. So here it says-- it's a full HD, but it's not really good to read, right?

So there are actually only two options. So if I double click. So when should the drawing be checked out. Meaning, when is it locked for me. It will be downloaded and it will be locked for me. This is by default when I open the drawing. So if I double click, then the drawing is checked out, meaning no one else can use it. And we will see how that looks for the other people in my project.

Or you can select Menu. Then you have to check it out manually with a context menu, making the right click on the drawing, checking it out. So either keep that open because probably that's a good setting.

And then there is an option for when is the drawing supposed to be checked in. And the default setting is, when I save the drawing. So every time I save the drawing, it will be uploaded. As I said in the beginning, it's still checked out for me. It's just checking it in temporarily, so to speak.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, yeah.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, there is no limitations that I know of. Yeah, there is no limitation I know of.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, so how does it work? And that actually brings me in a moment to the last setting. But I just want to complete it. So by default, if I save the drawing, it makes a copy to the cloud. So that's stored there. If I close the drawing, only then it's checked in back to the cloud. And that also, of course, means that other people then can use it. Or again, you can use manually, depending on your taste.

If you talk about P&ID. So if you have, let's say, a fast internet connection and we talk about P&ID, maybe on drawing save, so to speak. So every time I save. Might be a good option. But if we are talking about 3D drawings, they could be several megabytes of size. And I'm a person who saves every few minutes if I accomplish something. OK, save, just to be safe. So in 3D, that might not be a good option.

And then you have the last option, which you may or may not change. So how does it work from, let's say, a logistical point of view? So in the beginning we had our projects on our network folder or in my case somewhere on my C drive. And then I shared it to the cloud. Then it's there. Actually, I can show that in a few seconds how it looks on BIM 360 Team.

If I just shared it, then I also have an addition, now a local copy in my-- yeah, by default it's C, users, and my initials, and then [? at data, ?] and so on. So it's somewhere under your local user drive folder. If you want to change that, you can change it, checking the check box, and then select a different location. But not sure. Maybe talk to your IT or whoever where these are supposed to be stored.

So temporarily let me just to refresh. Hopefully it's fast enough. On our booth I had some issues with the performance. Yeah, I think so. So I will just go to our hub again. OK.

So while we wait. OK, the drawing is still open. And I will go now to my VMware and start Plant 3D as well. And maybe in the meantime it's really. Now this is what I will do now in my VMware. So I uploaded it. And when I upload it, at that time I already have a local copy. I was the one who uploaded it, so I have my local copy.

But everyone else now joining that project the first time, it will be downloaded for them as well. This is what I will show in my VMware. But again, only once it will then download the files for all the other people. It will then download, but only once. And then from that time on, only new files or changes will be downloaded.

So if I log in the next day and there is a new drawing for my colleague, then a project manager, I see, OK, there is a new drawing. So only the differences are downloaded. And also, just to make that clear, let's say, if another person now opens that BIM 360 project the first time, it will not download any drawings. No P&ID, no 3D drawings.

Only if I open them, then they will be downloaded. Otherwise, it would take for ages, and you may not need all the drawings anyway. So let me see. This is my project, my BIM project. And this is here. Now we have the project I shared. And on the ware we have the same folder structure as we had before.

So this is how it looks on BIM 360. And now going back to my VMware, it's still loading. It's not the fastest machine, but it's nice for traveling. So here now on this I open a collaboration project. And now it's here. I will get a dialog. Where I, again, will see all my available projects, but I can be selective.

So now I see all my planned projects I can potentially open. If it's a lot, then I can say, OK, only from, in this case, my company's BIM 360 Hub. And if there are multiple ones, I can be selective.

So for example, this one. The one I created. Is it that one? Yeah. I did so many tests just to be sure that it's working. So now it's downloading. Again, only the full project files, except the drawings, will be downloaded only once. And after that, only the changes.

Then we can do some tests. What's the time? OK, so I think I have 60 minutes. Come on.

By the way, we have also tomorrow at 9:15. I asked the Plant experts panel. So just want to use the waiting time for some announcements. So if you have any questions. Also for future development, we have-- what is the director? What's [? Emil's ?] title? Director building something. I don't know.

So the person who was responsible essentially for [INAUDIBLE] and Plant 3D. And also Damian Wilcox, who is-- well, his official title is different and it's too long. But he's more or less the product manager for Plant 3D. They will also be there, so if you have questions for future or want to just give feedback about what you would like to see. It's always very helpful. And of course, if you have questions in general for P&ID or Plant 3D, you can join us.

OK, so finally the project is there. But I have to say, it would be faster. It's just the internet connection. Wi-Fi and so on is not that fast here.

OK and now I have my project here available. And you see now so this one is now grayed out because my host machine has that drawing open. So it's grayed out. And I can open it in read only, but I want to open the other drawing. Now it's downloading that drawing. And here it is. OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that message.

So now I want to do some tests to show you what I meant by this issue with the tag. I hope it works. I tried to do it in my hotel room where I have an even worse internet connection. So I hope it works.

Well, there was already a [INAUDIBLE] in it. So I'm here now as the second in my-- no actually, where am I? Am I in VMware? No. Here I'm in my VMware. OK. It's an ISO project. Sorry for that. And let's insert a [INAUDIBLE]. So that's 102. And maybe another one, 103. I don't save.

Now I go back to user number one and I do the same. 102, 103. And I don't save. So that would not happen if you would work on a network drive. But again, we will see how that now turns out. So I will now save. Whoever saves first. Wins, so to speak.

Now it's uploading the drawing or checking it in. Or makes a copy in the cloud. However you want to say that. So now I go to my second user and I save here as well. And hopefully I get a notification. Because, again, in my hotel room, I didn't get any. Now it's checking in that drawing, and I should get a message that there is an issue with tags.

And I don't get a message. That's not good. Now I have two drawings with the same tags. That's not supposed to happen. So actually I do not know. Maybe it takes a while. When I upload it, the first user uploaded the drawing or checked it in. It checked in the drawing. Maybe it takes a while for the, let's say, the tags.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, so what I will try now to see. It's now trial and error. What I will do is either refresh the project and then save again. Just moving the drawing. Let's see if that--

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] saved yet.

CARSTEN BEINECKE: I saved. I saved.

AUDIENCE: Both?

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, I saved here. You may even see it here. That's still saved. So I saved that. Let's close it.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yes, but I don't. That's--

Not quite sure if it validates the whole project or just the drawing. Yeah, check [INAUDIBLE]. That's going up now. That's from the 3D.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, yeah. That's all for P&ID and 3D.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, but that's the frugal nature. It's like if you use [INAUDIBLE] with Plant 3D it's the same. So now instead of [INAUDIBLE], we have cloud. So if you work with Plant 3D with a project which is stored on your network, as soon as you type in or use a tag, even if you don't save the drawing, that tag is written into the database in a table where all the tags are listed. So it will be written instantly into the database and then the second person who tries to use their tag gets a message, you cannot use it. But that does not work this dynamic with BIM 360.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: And how do you do that?

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, but how do you connect? I don't understand.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: No, no, no, no. Hold on. If your project you are about to share uses SQL Server, then shared project will not use SQL Server anymore.

AUDIENCE: Correct. So if you have an opportunity for external collaboration then there would need to be a SQL [INAUDIBLE].

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Well, yeah. So if you have for your own-

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: But I just wanted to show how it's supposed to be or how this works right now. Of course, you can talk about, within our company we use the project on SQL Server. And with other people, you share it only with BIM 360 Team.

So of course you can also share only the drawings, but that's not what this class is about. So I just wanted to show this example. So I actually have to check why that check wasn't initiated. If it was because of the lack of network performance or maybe I don't know that I--

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Actually, that's my VMware.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: No, no, no. This is drawing one. Hold on. Hold on. Let me just close it. Nope. Because I had the validation. So this is drawing number two. And here I open drawing number one. No, you cannot open the same drawing in read write mode on two machines. So there's this drawing and here I have the other drawing.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: So what I will do is I will close it and open it again. Maybe then it validates.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, I didn't change the standard setting. I didn't make any changes here to the project setup. OK so let's check it. I did not explain it. With the context menu there was also, if you want to do it manually, checking it out. But it's here. So if I move or if I--

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: That's not supposed to happen. I got to talk to Damien tomorrow. Sorry. I'm pretty sure I did not watch my own video in the morning. Although I would have had plenty of time. But I'm pretty sure you saw that message in my video. Again, 34 minutes. And what I show here I show there as well.

So I don't know what I-- and it's nothing. It was intuitive. I did not do anything. It was just working, but with this message, with a notification. So I will check. I can send a message through the speaker resource center where I can then send an email to you about an update on that issue. So that should not happen. I don't know why.

So there is one additional, let's say, command in regards to XREFs and that plays more role in 3D. Because in P&ID, very few customers use XREFs for bringing in a title block or a company logo, or whatever. But let's say that's not the usual place to use XREFs. It's mostly about 3D.

So if you want to use XREFs in your BIM 360 Team project, then don't use the XREF command. There is a special one, which looks essentially the same. Again, I cannot really show it here because I, in this project, don't have 3D drawings. But essentially, yeah, you use that. I can XREF another one.

Which one do I have open? Number two. Well, I cannot. Of course, yeah, it's because it's open. But you use that attach command if you want to use XREFs.

AUDIENCE: Why is that?

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Good question. Because it does not recognize. If you check out a 3D drawing from your BIM 360 project, and it has XREFs, it does not check out the other drawings. And you don't want that. Because, let's say, you have a piping drawing and you XREF equipment and steel in. If that would also be checked out, then all your colleagues couldn't use that because you are now the owner of these drawings. So this is why there is a separate type of XREF command.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: It would also work on a local. If I would XREF a local file from my local drive or network drive. It does not XREF the BIM 360 drawing into my whatever piping drawing or so.

So limitations I talked about. I don't want to repeat that. The tag, again, should not-- I will check tomorrow with Damian about how that could happen. There aren't a lot of options. So I will check that out and let you know. So other than that, from the, let's say, functionality point of view, that's how it works. So any other questions? Yeah.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, good point. Actually there is one thing I forgot to mention. And this is how to make a local backup of that project. So I will close the drawing here. Actually maybe I'll close Plant 3D at all. So on whatever machine. So now there would be a good refresh. Of course, I have that open. And don't tell me there is no some message.

BIM refreshed. OK. So you can make a right click. And there is a great project backup. I was actually wondering why that is. When you use that not with a BIM 360 project. Didn't we make that online? Didn't we check that? And I said, what's that for?

If you have a regular Plant 3D project on your network drive and you use that, it essentially makes a copy of the project and says, what's that for? But if you have a BIM 360 project, now it will actually make a local copy, but from the cloud project. So from the current version of your project. And then it's actually back again. Now it's a regular Plant 3D project. So let's say a local or network. So now it's--

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: No, no. It's not archiving.

AUDIENCE: Well, this is making an archive.

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, locally now you have an archive. No, it does not--

AUDIENCE: Now if you want to remove the hub project, [INAUDIBLE] is it gone? Is it gone?

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, well, first you need to archive it on the cloud and then you can delete it. So just by making a backup, that's not deleted or archived on the cloud. That's really like the [INAUDIBLE]. It makes a local backup of your project and that's about it. It does not affect the project in the cloud at all.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: I would think so. Yeah.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

AUDIENCE: We could add some move levels of [INAUDIBLE].

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, well, I was just in a session in the morning. It was about two companies working on a wastewater plant in Kansas City. So they're working with Revit but also with cloud. And they decided was their first project where they work together through the cloud. And they thought about how should we divide up the Revit model.

And it turned out that the project they did, if they would have done it the regular way they work, they would have had 72 Revit models for the different disciplines and buildings. Now they used only 14. And both companies in almost all disciplines worked on the same Revit model.

So if it comes in regards to trust, they mentioned that. So really it's a high trust environment. You need to trust the people. Because anyone from any discipline could screw up the work of someone else's other discipline.

But you are right. So if you are an editor, you can make a local backup. Could be your customer if you invited him. If he's an editor. Well, maybe your customer is more of a viewer. So now it's done. I actually did not pay attention where it was stored to.

AUDIENCE: So I have a question. How do you check your project settings, XML files, specs, uploaded to the cloud and prevent users from modifying their local [INAUDIBLE]?

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Well, you just go to Project Setup. Are if you are done, it's uploaded. And then the other people refresh it and they have the change.

AUDIENCE: So what if the user goes to Project Settings [INAUDIBLE]?

CARSTEN BEINECKE: No, no. It would also be uploaded. Everyone has the same rights.

AUDIENCE: That's the thing.

AUDIENCE: Yeah, that's a problem.

AUDIENCE: There should be an admin level. Only the admins can do that. Only the admins can make a backup copy.

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Again, we will have a panel tomorrow.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] that's already in the pipeline. This is just the first generation.

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Also what we heard about generalization. And if you were in the technical keynote or so, Autodesk often, OK, that's the first version. And now get feedback from the customer, and then improve, and improve quickly, and this is what they try to change from the past to now. Adapting more quickly from the user feedback. This is why it's really important. There is a real shift in how Autodesk works, even as an external Autodesk partner. You can feel that shift.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

CARSTEN BEINECKE: There is a P&ID Plant 3D idea station. I'm not quite sure about BIM 360.

AUDIENCE: That'd be a perfect [INAUDIBLE].

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Tomorrow in the panel I have some slides for what is available. So there is a knowledge base, there is a P&ID forum. There is a Plant 3D forum. But there is also a P&ID and Plant 3D idea station where if you have any idea, describe it there. People can vote. Autodesk is reading that.

In regards to BIM 360 Team, I'm pretty sure there is some idea station for either for BIM 360 products in general or specific BIM 360 Team. So I actually did not look into that. But there is definitely a P&ID Plant 3D idea station where you can just write an idea and describe what you want. Otherwise, there's probably someone we'll ask to clarify. And then people can vote for this idea. And there is then also a ranking. You can see how many votes something got. It's very, very interesting.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: Yeah, he could open all the files. Then he has all the files.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

CARSTEN BEINECKE: But I'm actually not sure. Well even if you have that, well then you have the files. I did not test to actually copy that local copy of the cloud, put it in my network drive, and try to open it. I'm almost sure it will not work. But you have at least the drawings and the drawings contain the data. So if it comes to some intellectual property issue, you probably already have lost, or someone can make a copy.

But these are the questions then development will have. I'm also myself a product manager, so sometimes customers have ideas, and this is why I say I'm a realist when I start asking the questions. Not because I'm negative, I just want to understand the specifics of a certain idea or request.

And Greg here in front, we had a lot of conversations about details and how that should work. How something should be easy to use and foolproof, so to speak. So users do not necessarily misuse it. Not meaning intentionally, but so it should be really easy to use.

AUDIENCE: So just to confirm, there is a BIM 360 [INAUDIBLE].

CARSTEN BEINECKE: So change that.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

CARSTEN BEINECKE: What's the time? Oh, four minutes over. So thanks for your attention. If you have questions, I have brochures of our Plant tools. If you don't know them, you can visit us on booth A425. I'm done. Otherwise, I will go outside because apparently the next speaker wants to come in. So you can address me while I'm packing. Otherwise, I will be outside.