Supercharge your BIM and VDC workflows with NavVis

JAY URE: Good morning, guys, ladies. Today, we're going to supercharge our BIM and VDC workflow with NavVis. NavVis is a German-based, mobile LiDAR company. This is our device right here. It is called the VLX. Does anybody own a VLX here? A couple people. Everybody here heard of us? This is new to you? A couple of newbies, OK. We're going to run through the basic concepts of the device itself.

The device is really intuitive. You can navigate into any space. Sensors are protected here and here. And there's always real time interface with a map display right here in front of you with a heads up preview. We come equipped with four 20-megapixel cameras arranged perfectly for 360 degree panoramic images.

We have super comfortable shoulder straps and a hip belt to prolong your day's work in capturing all of your spaces that you want to capture. Two lithium ion batteries that are easily found at any audio audiovisual shop, they are good for about an hour and a half, and they are hot swappable.

These two LiDAR displays capture 300,000 points per second-- that's 600,000 points per second between the both of them-- used to generate our point clouds as we run through the full capture process. So you can always view what you're seeing. We have high resolution OLED displays, data management, real-time quality maps. And we can cover indoor, and we can cover outdoor. And we can do multistory buildings.

If you have a control point process in your workflow, we can capture those control points. Those control points can be marked. Or they can be measured, or they can be geographic. Either will work. Simply touch the trigger, which actually is held right here in your hip holder, to the location, and you can capture it either on the ground at the hip level or over the shoulders. Data quality and data data sets eliminate drift, and they're perfect for longer scans.

And this is kind of the general workflow that we would have. So on the right hand side, you'll see a NavVis equipment. We do things called loops. Loops controlled with control points really pinpoint your accuracy and give you good data. On the left hand side, you see the traditional TLS. We are approximately 10 times the speed with roughly the same accuracy.

Let me pause right here. How many people here are traditional total station users, do control, do survey, do-- OK. So quite a few. BIM users, [? live-and-die ?] BIM? How many people generally use these on a day-to-day basis to capture spaces? OK. This guy right here saves a ton of time and provides you a great deal of insight during and post survey scans.

You get a set of construction documents that are 50 years old-- they have paper red lines on them-- you can eliminate all of that guesswork with this device. We take the device, which I-- I'm going to use this guy. So we take the VLX or the legacy M6. We capture our space. We move over into the cloud processing, so we're done scanning. We take the hard drive out of the device. We connect it to a computer we back up the data to our network, and we upload it to the cloud processing.

We assign it the processing task we want, and we let our process overnight. Once it's done, we move it on to the NavVis Cloud. And at this point, this is where the partnerships and the connections come into play. You can host it internally for your internal customers with our BIM integration tool. You can host it externally for stakeholders, owner operators, third party consultants to you, whatever you want to do.

It's a really solid product. We're going to get into a little bit of that. And then I'm going to show you our Revit add-in and really kind of do a deeper dive into the BIM and the VDC aspect.

So these are all the devices that exist out there for the most part. They all integrate into our workflow. So the total station, great for capturing that control, the GNS Rover for the geographic control, drones for overhead, terrestrial laser scanners for additional accuracies, valves and things that nature all completely ingest into our system.

So these are our products. On the left, you'll see our legacy trolley-based system, the VLX Gen 1 and Gen 2. This is a Gen 2 right here, not a big difference. We're constantly pushing software. So no matter what version you have, we're going to have the most current SLAM that we have. And then on the right, this is kind of what you're going to see. Laptop, desktop, it doesn't matter. It's all cloud based.

The SaaS product and platform really kind of helps us streamline workflows and cut down on man hours, cut down on human resources and total cost. So if we're looking at scanning time, for a TLS, you're looking at three days-- and this is for a roughly a 30,000 square meter sample project-- so three days for a total station, half a day for the VLX; four and half working days for human resources and 0.75 for the VLX; and then 0.9 cents per square foot for the TLS and then 0.4-- or $0.04 for the VLX.

Once you buy, it's going to take you approximately 40,000 square feet per month for three years to get your money back. If you do the math, that's approximately 1.4 million square feet. If you scan that in a month and a half, you've already paid for the device and you're making huge strides towards your end product. The end product, the end product is going to be this. It's going to be a point cloud.

That point cloud is going to be ingested into Revit. It's going to be ingested into Navisworks, Civil 3D, AutoCAD, SolidWorks. Whatever you need to do to create families, to create Revit models, to create your day-to-day workflow, IVION is the SaaS product for that. If you have third-party solutions, like I said, they are also ingestible so you can actually bring that in.

You can actually-- within IVION, you can stream photorealistic point clouds in a web browser. No installations, no plug-ins, nothing's needed. You literally just log in to your credentials, whether it's internally hosted or externally hosted, and you can stream point clouds. You can view realistic 360-degree walkthroughs by moving through the digital space.

You can auto generate 360-degree panoramic images, high definite floor plans, and you can do routing. This is an example of routing. This is a louvered HVAC room in one of the high-rises in Chicago.

You can do things such as add, search, route geotag information. You can actually capture information with points of interest. Everything is searchable. In fact, here on my laser pointer-- right here is your search bar. If you're looking for a specific area, you type that in, and you get the points of interest.

So this is a elevator room in a high-rise in Chicago. It provides you a little bit of information on the elevator equipment. You can custom tailor all your points of interest however you need for your project or for a specific client.

You can generate comprehensive models from various data sources into one e57, one las, one ply, one rcs, or one pod for streaming down or across the web. You can download it. All the data is owned by the user. Any data at any point can be downloaded and adjusted into any other platform.

I don't want to stress that enough. All the data is yours. The product is yours. Once you purchase, everything is there. All we do is we provide you services in form of software, support, and technical expertise.

All right. So this is the big part, right? You know the product now. You know the website. How do we use IVION for BIM? How do we use IVION for VDC? So BIM is focused on the creation of the digital model. And then VDC is, how do we manage the model through the construction phase?

So what you want to do is you want to connect. How do we connect? We connect with just a few clicks. The laser scan data can be turned into the basic building models displayed as a 360-degree panoramic image, a point cloud, or a full-color floor plan. You can do realistic digital buildings and browse through them as needed, just like you would in BIM. And then you can publish and share the NavVis IVION instances online giving the clients, the project, and the stakeholders everything you need.

So that is the general gist of IVION as you would ingest it. So we have a tool with Revit. It is the NavVis IVION add-on for Autodesk Revit. So this product allows you to see real time what's in your IVION session tagged to your actual model. So as you move through your model, you'll actually see real time how it actually displays in IVION.

So you get to create your models with more clarity. It's perfect for conduits and things of that nature, understanding your dimensions, understanding your floor plans. Pictures are really worth a thousand words, and then point clouds, probably 10,000 points-- 10,000 words, right? The general setup is super easy.

So you create some POIs in your IVION session. You log in with your credentials. You pick the building. You pick your tie points. You calculate your transformation. The lower the transformation, the more accurate it is. You hit apply, and it transforms your point cloud into the real time model that you have within Revit.

Here's an example. So this is just a residential building. Everybody is pretty familiar with a general house. So on the left, you see the point cloud. And on the right, you see the Revit model, fully accessible directly within Revit. So you basically just get a separate window with IVION. And from that, you actually get to spin the model around and look at the model as needed, do measurements as needed, look at what you've built out in IVION directly in Revit.

So you have a heads-up digisplay. You don't have to go back and forth between different programs. Everything is right there within your Revit model. So it's a cradle-to-grave solution for your day-to-day BIM solution. So the add-on allows you to see your market measurement tool. On the left hand side, you see they've actually measured out part of that balcony. That balcony is part of the building here. You can kind of understand where you're at and what you're doing.

The one thing that we didn't highlight is, in the site model within IVION, you actually get to build your floors. We'll talk about that a little bit more in a little bit. But that all helps you with your navigation through multi-building-- or multistory buildings.

Construction verification. So this is where the VDC comes into play. How do you do construction verification? Well, you can do multiple scans. This is a situation where we scan at 30%. We scan again at 90%. All the information, these are the panoramic images for that area. So if you want to look at furniture, you want to look at where the conduit was, where the studs are for future renovations or just general understanding, you want to use it for owner operator meetings, it's a perfect solution for that.

Here's a couple of more examples. So here you have your pipes. So these are all water pipes for chilling. And you see the pre-construction at 30%, and then you see almost 100% built where everything's already in place. They got the sheet rock up, and they're moving forward to finish and put this manufacturing plant into production.

Here are the point clouds. So you can actually measure those out. So on the left hand side, you'll see the same exact situations that we just examined. This is the electrical room adjacent to the plumbing room. And it shows you all the equipment's already installed at 90%. At 30%, it shows you the studs. It's perfect for allowing data.

And you can actually crop in your site model. We'll go through this a little bit too. In the site model, you can actually crop and download tools directly, as in RCS, for direct import for verification, either in Navisworks or into Revit. You can do heat maps, perfectly suited for the comparison of BIM models and point clouds, ReCap, Revit, Navisworks. We're going to be your primary function when you're dealing with information models.

If you're looking to do families and things of that nature, you can actually do a crop of a specific device and download that point cloud and then generate your family out of that. It's super easy. You can create a mesh out of it. There's plenty of solutions out there for meshing. And then you can use that in clash detections and solutions like that. Again, you can download in e57, las, ply, pod, and, most recently, the rcs file format.

So we're going to skip out of the PowerPoint right now, and we're going to go into real life examples. So here is the same view that we were looking at before in IVION. So this is a smart construction situation, 30% and 90%. So this is the electrical room. You can pan around. You get full panoramic images.

You get navigation. You can rotate back around, jump in here, and we can examine pipes. You can do things like mark and measure. So if you want to figure out your access panel, how much room you have, you can measure it like that. It's going to give you a display on the left hand side. This is your point cloud with a 2D map.

This is essentially an aerial map at what I say is seven feet. It's all generated from the field of view of the cameras on here. And it's called floor filling within our software, and it generates a nice overview of your site. So you can see through here all the different measurements that were taken, and you can share these out to anybody as a PDF.

And you can create points of interest. Maybe you want to do shop drawings, workflows, PMIDs if you're in the petroleum industry. Things of that nature you can always come in here, and you can create a POI. Simply right click Create, POI name it, create a category. Categories are pre-populated, but you can also re-tailor those to whatever category you want.

You can add all sorts of information into the dialog box. You can structure that with iframe. So you host images, PDFs, audio, and video files. Really, it's up to your imagination. That is your biggest constraint here, is your imagination, so however you want to tailor it.

That is one example of construction with time frames. Here is an example of what the point cloud will look like inside of Revit. So this is Bourbon Street. You come in here to the NavVis add-on, and you go to Settings. We have some settings in here. So we have an instance name, or a URL. We have a username. We have a password. All we need to do is click Connect.

It's going to tell us the version. And then it's going to move through the site. Now, you can pick a lot of sites, or however many sites you have in there, you can move through there and tailor that to your specific desire. We have two sites in here. We're going to use Bourbon Street. We're going to use these time points, which are just street lights. We're going to calculate the transformation.

So I haven't picked anything, and it said it's 67.15 meters. Well, that's not very accurate. So what we need to do is come in here, and we need to pick our points. Bear with me a second. So we'll pick our points.

And we're just going to pick it right here. I just use street lights. They're pretty straightforward. This is a pretty large model, so bear with me a second here. And then we're going to pick another point down here. I believe it's this guy. So calculate transformation.

So now, we're down to eight meters. Pick another point down here. And the more accurate you are here, the better off you are. So as I keep moving down, you see the transformation changes. And now, we're down to negative 0.99 meters. For the sake of this example, we're going to call that good. I'm just going to give this a name.

We're going to save that back to the IVION session for later. We're going to use our login information for IVION. I hope that I type those in right. And one more time.

AUDIENCE: You need a little eye icon.

JAY URE: Man. One more time. There we go. All right. So we'll start here. Actually, let me go back, pick the point here, and pick the point here. It gets faster every time you do it. Click Apply, and then you can click Open.

And that brings you to this instance. So we're very secure. We want to make sure that everything is custom tailored. So here we are. We're looking at the view, IVION and Revit, in side-by-side. All right.

So I don't really have anything drawn in here. This is really just kind of a local example, but we can jump back here into the 3D view. Come on. Well, maybe not. Here we go. And we can take a look at what we're looking at. So here, you see an example of the POI, just a streetlight, nothing major. I did a quick screen capture of that intersection of that street light. So it's Bourbon and St Philip, just an example of how you can actually tailor IVION to your instance.

I have another example here. So this is actually in Chicago. This is Halsted Street. So we already have two point clouds loaded in here. One's saying it's not found, and one is saying it's found. So I'm going to go in here into the unfound because this is a very common problem that probably you all deal with. We're going to look for an RCS because this is a direct output from IVION.

So we're going to find North_Halstead.CSV-- I'm sorry, .rcs. And we are going to load that. We're going to head OK. We're going to let that load, and here you go. So these are two separate downloads directly from the same instance. I specifically tailored it so that this area right here was a hole so that you could see that it's going to come in as needed based on how this is set up over here.

And then, I think I have one more example. Nope. So if we come into these individual sessions, I can show you a little bit more on how construction sites can be scanned, how you can tailor them, and use the information. So this is a site down here in the lower right. This is your 2D map. So as you can see, we're on floor one right here. We can go to floor two, and we can go to the ground floor, ground zero.

And this provides you a list of-- or an image of all the information that's there and all the POIs on that specific floor. Each one of these circles is a navigational component. It'll take you right to that location and provide you either the panoramic image on the right hand side or the point clouds or both, point clouds and the panoramic images. And you can toggle back and forth between these two sessions.

Here's the crane. And then, if you come up here, we can change into the point cloud. And we have all sorts of solutions for you depending upon your bandwidth. How many people in your office are trying to stream this at the same time? You can go into balanced high performance or high quality. So I typically run a high quality, and you get a photorealistic approach to the actual construction site.

This is great for CYA. This is great for your monthly meetings, weekly meetings, really kind of dependent upon the scope of your project. But you capture all this data that you can't really capture with a camera because of the point clouds. The point clouds really give you measurable features that give you the ability to ingest other data sets to it. You can do that either in the POI or directly within data set management by adding drone data, terrestrial data, things of that nature.

So this looks like it's fairly complete in their drawing. And you can really just kind of spin around and look at things. So we've captured quite a bit of the cranes. And as we move around, we'll just have to wait for that to redraw. At any one time, if you want to download some specific aspect of this project, come in to crop and download.

And you can custom tailor your crop and download to any format you want. You can go in the 2D view, figure out where you want to be, rotate that around, grab your grips, move them up, move them down, however you need it to be. You can go back into 3D, and then you can start adjusting vertically and horizontally as needed, as desired, push and pull motion to capture data as an export.

So then, over here, you can download as either the site coordinate system. So the standard site coordinate system here is WGS 84. You can use a special spatial system, whatever your project currently is or if you need to do a transformation, and then an individual data set. You can actually select RCS and then do-- we'll just do construction and then download. It's going to process all of that and then send it to a file for download.

While that's working, we can jump over to another example. This is a site that-- actually, do I-- well, it's spinning. So if we jump into this site, this is a good example. [INAUDIBLE] here we go. We'll let that load. If you go into data set management, this is where you're going to manage your data.

And here, you're going to actually see drone data. We have [INAUDIBLE] data. And we NavVis data. The data is all aligned either through your geographic coordinate points, your measurement points, or cloud-to-cloud transformation, which is also known as registration. So you can bring everything into the data set alignment section. And you can transform our tools, all your data sets, using these tools right in here.

We have different functions within the view configuration. So if you want to see a specific sliver of your project, simply adjust your site. Come on. There we go. Simply adjust your site, and-- come on. There we go. Simply adjust your site, and then you can actually get a window into that specific area.

Just like any slicing tool in BIM, you can do it from the north or south or also from the east and west. You can also do-- we have a tool in here for perspective cameras. So you can actually look where the viewshed of that picture is. You can move it around. You can rotate it and really navigate through your space.

Because this has drone data, we actually have really good rooftop coverage of the point cloud. So if I jump out of here and we go into the actual site model, let me turn on the panoramic images to go to the right location. There we go. Here we go.

So you can actually see down here in the navigational view the entire model as it would be from a drone and then dive deeper into the actual site. Here are some examples of points of interest. So we have some videos in here, just a standard YouTube video. We're going to pause that. Bandwidth seems to be a little low. We're going to look into some others.

This is a good example of third-party solutions' visual interface. So this guy has a bunch of information in here and then some vibration charts for maintenance that are in real time. So you can really kind of custom tailor this as you see fit. So we consider IVION to be a little bit of a BIM-light tool I liken it to kind of a SketchUp tool for point clouds.

You can really go in there and custom tailor things. It's very intuitive, very simple, and very ingestible into Revit or Civil 3D. Does anybody have any questions so far on what we've seen? Yes.

AUDIENCE: The earlier image that you showed of the house--

JAY URE: Yes.

AUDIENCE: --in Revit, is that-- does it create native Revit families? Did we miss that? Or--

JAY URE: These were all built internally. So the point cloud itself comes into Revit. And then, from that, you would do your modeling. So if you already have an existing model, you can bring the point cloud in for verification, or you can crop it out of the actual site model to get a specific point cloud for a specific family.

AUDIENCE: Is it smart enough to give you suggestions for like wall thicknesses and structural [? member ?] sizes and stuff like that?

JAY URE: You can measure within the mark and measure tool. So within-- if you go back here-- if I go back to some of these modules-- so within the mark and measure, you can actually measure horizontally, vertically, or freehand. So if we want to do a vertical measurement from the ceiling, right here. So we see the magnification tool right here.

We're on that beam. We're going to go straight down. And then, once it hits the floor, it creates this line. So you just click that, and it generates a distance-- 12 feet, half inch. So from that, you can do additional measurements. You can measure across to get the thickness of the beam-- seven inches, right? Does that answer your question?

AUDIENCE: Yep.

AUDIENCE: What's the level of accuracy on them on the measurements [INAUDIBLE]?

JAY URE: Well, the measurements are based on the point cloud itself. So we're plus or minus six millimeters. Way back.

AUDIENCE: I got two. So when you guys tie down your control, how high above the device is too high for the control?

JAY URE: So we have some general measurements. But a good rule of thumb is whoever's going to do the scan. So you can literally grab the control just like this. So this is kind of how you're going to do it. You probably don't want to do it on a ladder. You probably want to follow all standard OSHA regulations. But if you had a lift, you could potentially grab it from the lift.

AUDIENCE: OK. And then the second one is, what happens when you don't have any communication or Wi-Fi or cellular [INAUDIBLE] Does that data get stored on the device, and you can go back to a room and get [INAUDIBLE]?

JAY URE: All data is always going to be stored on the SSD from cradle to grave within the VLX during your scan. So once you're done scanning, you're going to save the data set. It's going to load it to this. When you're done, you're going to take this back to your office or field office or hotel room, upload it to your computer, and then upload it to the cloud.

AUDIENCE: Are there any accessories for overhead, like ceiling work stands? And you have to pop the tile for existing conditions.

JAY URE: So we have customers that are actually popping tiles for [? plumb ?] work. The more tiles you have open, the more light you're going to have. So the lighter device itself doesn't need good lighting. You're going to see it on intensity. But if you want pictures and you want a full colorization, you're going to need to either add some additional lighting or just pop all the ceiling tiles or enough in a row that you'll get the light that you need.

AUDIENCE: So will you have to step on a ladder just to get high enough or the scan to pick up more of the area?

JAY URE: Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

AUDIENCE: Just the section one [INAUDIBLE] metadata or searchable information [INAUDIBLE]?

JAY URE: So here, simple character return. I just put in a C. So anything that's got that in there provides a bunch of stuff. So point cloud for CAD, it's just a POI for crop and downloading point clouds and some general information. So the searching aspect is actually after the model is fully built. So we didn't really cover building a model. But we have a section in here called site model. And this is where you develop your individual buildings and your individual floors for that particular building.

Within here, you can also fine tune that into rooms. So that is kind of how this would be a BIM light tool. You can actually start labeling your rooms as they would exist in your actual building.

AUDIENCE: Are you [INAUDIBLE] the data reflectivity surfaces or movable objects [INAUDIBLE]?

JAY URE: Sure. We have some things in the pipeline right now that should help with that. But right now, you download it as an e57 an bring it into-- or in RCS, bring it in to ReCap. I probably want to stay in RCS-- or I'm sorry. You probably want to start in -- stay in e57. But you download it, clean it up in CloudCompare, clean it up in ReCap, whatever third-party point cloud solution you have, and then re-upload it if you really need to.

AUDIENCE: [? But ?] [? I ?] [? feel ?] [? like ?] this works for, I would say, 90% of all floor plans. Like, as we're talking about tight spaces, are many of your users having any other onsite solutions for those?

JAY URE: Tight spaces like closets? Or tight spaces like--

AUDIENCE: Well, closets or crawl spaces that you can't have a full-height human in.

JAY URE: Crawl space is an interesting one. I haven't heard of that yet. Closets, you can just simply walk in and walk back out.

AUDIENCE: The bounce back, is it creating occlusions because [INAUDIBLE]?

JAY URE: So occlusions are going to happen if you can't see a specific area. So if you can't see it, the LiDAR is not going to see it. So you can actually just-- if you can't see it, you can potentially-- say this is an occlusion right here-- come in here, stick it behind it, pull it back out. So it's six degrees. So it does pitch, roll, and yaw as you're moving. That's the beauty of mobile scanning is it's going to take all of that data, it's going to find those unique geometries, it's going to stitch it together in the AI after the fact.

AUDIENCE: So it's not naming any of the elements it's scanning? That's done by the user in IVION.

JAY URE: Correct. Yes. So you're--

AUDIENCE: Does it group it by what it thinks it might be, like mechanical duct, electrical conduit, electric panel, or anything like that?

JAY URE: No. No. Right now, it's simply just the point cloud. You post-process it. You can tailor the noise back to the reflectivity. So you can tailor that to the distance from the sensor. 50, 30, and 10 to 15 meters are the three categories. So outdoor spaces would be 50 meters from the sensor. And that gives you more data to work with, potentially more noise as well. Standard would be a room like this. Hallways and tight spaces, hotels may be high confidence, which would be 10 to 15. Standard is 30 meters.

AUDIENCE: Have you guys done any scans that were say for a server center that had multiple levels of existing piping going to different [? ORs? ?] Because, at that point-- I know I've seen one, not from your product-- but we might want to [INAUDIBLE] scan. It just was a conglomerate of nothing. I ended up having to go out there for hours and manually decide what was-- key what we-- because it was a TI. So do you have any scans like that where it was-- you could clearly see different colors, because these were color types?

JAY URE: Sure. Yeah. So the colorization is really good with that. The smart construction might be a good example of that. If you look-- that's-- so you can actually, if we turn on the point cloud, you'll actually see the valves. You'll see the alarms. Now,

These are probably further apart than what you were used to seeing. Assuming that the pipe is roughly three inches in diameter, you should completely be able to measure it. You'll be able to-- if you know that the pipes were there, you'll be able to understand what they are at a different interval. But because of the accuracy, we usually say three inches is the best you're going to be able to measure. But you'll-- oop, too far. High quality, and then-- so we can adjust the point count.

It doesn't change the density of the LiDAR. Let's grab this navigation. There we go. So you can distinctly pick out those as we pan up. There's additional piping up here. So you should be able to understand what you have just by a sure count of pipes, right?

AUDIENCE: Yeah. [INAUDIBLE]. I can't remember. It was a general contractor who scanned it. But in a different building, in overhead, you will have layer upon layer upon layer of trays and so conduit racks, mechanical piping racks, plumbing. And so a lot of times, if it's just one layer, great. That's fine. But how does a scanner look from the ground looking up and then there's all this layered of [INAUDIBLE]?

JAY URE: Right. So you have two different orientations, and they meet at 97 degrees. So this guy right here is going to really capture your vertical components. And this guy is going to capture your horizontal components. So as you get closer to those instances, you'll have more accurate data or better data because you're not going to be, oh, it was obscured by this ladder, or it was obscured by this other pipe, and things of that nature. So if you're able to get to those elevations, then you should be able to capture it. Yeah.

AUDIENCE: So using a lift, it's really important [INAUDIBLE].

JAY URE: Yeah, use a lift, for sure.

AUDIENCE: --usually because you're going to want to get up there and let-- yeah.

JAY URE: Yeah.

AUDIENCE: Yeah. Yeah. But why do we have mobile mapping? It's even better if you have some spots where you always have some hidden stuff. That's the [INAUDIBLE]. And you know that these reflections that you [? got ?] [INAUDIBLE].

AUDIENCE: Right.

AUDIENCE: Yeah. That's the other thing then. You don't have these reflections If you're walking and you have maybe a reflection here, but you walk 10 meters more [INAUDIBLE] want [INAUDIBLE].

AUDIENCE: Nontechnical question.

JAY URE: Oh, OK.

AUDIENCE: Do you have any future plans for a LiDAR device for smaller, I guess, people that actually [INAUDIBLE] walk around with that thing?

JAY URE: So this is fully adjustable from extra small to extra large.

AUDIENCE: Yes, yeah. I've tried it. Yeah, I'm just curious if there's any future plan for a LiDAR device. It is going to be after some time. [INAUDIBLE].

JAY URE: I can't--

AUDIENCE: I have-- yeah.

AUDIENCE: Technology's evolving, yeah.

AUDIENCE: Yeah, that's why I'm here. Is there any future plans?

JAY URE: I can't-- I'm not part of a development team. But I'm certain they're always working on something good.

AUDIENCE: OK.

AUDIENCE: What are the limits of vertical as well as horizontal drift [INAUDIBLE] scan?

JAY URE: What do you mean by the limits?

AUDIENCE: Like the quality limits. So can I walk a couple of meters, a kilometer, and get a quality scan? If I'm walking on a sloped floor for a kilometer in a tunnel, can I get a quality scan of it? What are the limits of it?

JAY URE: So tunnel is a good example. The tunnel could be a potential limitator just because it's not really a unique environment. You're going to get into an environment that's-- if we just had these panels all the way down and no chairs and nothing else, there's nothing to really latch on to you, right? The geometry is the same. By adding or introducing your own different types of geometry-- maybe it's the VLX box; maybe it's some construction cones, a light, things of that nature-- then you can kind of fix some of that issue because you really need the unique geometry in order for the loops and the point cloud to find each other.

AUDIENCE: Now, are you describing like a smooth tunnel? Or if it's rock, would it pick up that style of unique geometry?

JAY URE: I mean, in both examples, you would still want to introduce additional things-- boxes and cones and things of that nature, whatever you have, people.

AUDIENCE: In fact, the tunnel example from a lighting standpoint, do you need stationary lighting, or do you need mobile-- or do you have mobile lighting when you're walking [INAUDIBLE]?

JAY URE: So that's up to your decision, right? We don't actually manage any lighting aspects. We do have customers that-- we have one customer that mounted a 360 degree light on the top here. I don't know what the long-term effects with that would be because I don't know what's going to actually-- what the weight limit is on this. Plus, you're going to have collision.

The collision is actually for the device itself, not for the third party application. So that is totally up to your design and your case. There are plenty of photography lights, LED lights, that you could potentially Mount elsewhere or create a pack. You want to make sure that your lighting is consistent around the device itself and goes out far enough. Specifically, if you're going to scan at outdoor settings, that's 50 meters.

So if you have colorization issues because your lighting is wrong, going down one way and coming back the next and you have a huge void in the center, your colorization is going to be off. So that is a huge reason, one of the reasons why we don't provide lighting and another reason that you should look into when you're buying your solution, how you want to address it.

AUDIENCE: If an environment would be [INAUDIBLE] [? street, ?] we have a longer street [INAUDIBLE] [? across ?] [INAUDIBLE]. The tunnel is a very specific thing.

AUDIENCE: So if had a tunnel with objects in it that allow that kind of registration, how far can I walk with that for a single scan? Is that like--

JAY URE: So it's all about loops and timing. So a data set is good for 30 to 60 minutes. That's our recommended approach per data set. After that, you could keep going. But your loop should be somewhere between 10 to 15 meters, control as needed.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] it's very important.

AUDIENCE: Do you have any type of moving filters?

JAY URE: No. Sorry. Sorry.

AUDIENCE: Your processing software, any type of moving point builder if you're working at a [INAUDIBLE] facility?

JAY URE: Yeah. So there is a dynamic object removal filter built in. So people walking towards you, people walking away are removed from the point cloud. But they will not be removed from the picture.

AUDIENCE: Understand. [INAUDIBLE] Thank you.

JAY URE: Yes.

AUDIENCE: When you were showing [? e-maps ?] earlier, is that something your software produces that? So when you--

JAY URE: No, that's a third party application you would use that in. There was another question in the back. Did I--

AUDIENCE: I have a lot of maintenance and service calibration programs.

JAY URE: OK.

AUDIENCE: So you buy this, and [? then are you-- ?] is your company offering those types of [INAUDIBLE] add-ons?

JAY URE: So if you have requirements for certification for calibration, we can meet those requirements as needed. Currently, we haven't seen any need for calibration unless a sensor goes bad and we have to replace it.

AUDIENCE: Yeah. Is there a warranty service package that we can [? add on ?] [INAUDIBLE]?

JAY URE: We'd have to talk to our account executive and figure that out. That's an answer I don't know. I'm in the success program. So I'm not actually here selling. I'm just here talking about the technology. So we can get a better answer for that. If you want to-- he can-- he's the man to talk to actually.

AUDIENCE: Well, it's key, right? I mean, if you're investing in a piece of equipment that's this-- if it's important to your workflow and wanting to make sure that it's serviced and calibrated [INAUDIBLE] due diligence.

AUDIENCE: Is there a [INAUDIBLE] on user [? faces ?] or [INAUDIBLE] user [INAUDIBLE] sharing, share this to the link--

JAY URE: Sure.

AUDIENCE: [? Can ?] [? anyone ?] look [INAUDIBLE] certain amount of people?

JAY URE: So within your instance, there is a thing called user management. And with user management, you get 80 users, 80 named users. You can name those users individual names, or you can name those groups. You can see here that we actually have sales, different groups with the different regions, and then all sorts of other solutions. So these are groups, and then we also have some individual named users.

It's all dependent upon how you want to manage it. There are some additional functionality that comes with our APIs. You can actually do some [? gate ?] commands and get that information from that. But it's fairly manual.

AUDIENCE: And guest users [INAUDIBLE]

JAY URE: You can make it-- so guest users in the form of a free or an open platform, right? So if you have a site that's like you want to share it for tourism or for museums or things like that, you can just make it open, and people can tour it.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

JAY URE: Correct.

AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

JAY URE: Yep.

AUDIENCE: Will this be-- this is covering what [? Sin2 ?] is offering the market as far as being able to build in your model and your point cloud and having--

JAY URE: So this is a fairly different product because it's for processing your data.

AUDIENCE: The viewer side of it.

JAY URE: The viewer side of it, you can ingest DXFs, vector maps, but not big models.

AUDIENCE: No IFCs?

JAY URE: No IFCs, no.

AUDIENCE: All right.

JAY URE: No.

AUDIENCE: This is great. I actually was going to run out and buy this. My challenge is that I have to deal with a lot of tight spaces and then issues with my staff not being able to carry that or fit it into a car.

JAY URE: Oh, it totally fits in a car.

AUDIENCE: Hm?

JAY URE: It totally fits in a car.

AUDIENCE: It depends on the car.

JAY URE: I've sat in a Prius with it next to me. I don't recommend it. But the Uber driver had a full trunk, so it literally sat next to me in a Prius. So it's specifically designed for that. It's literally designed to fly anywhere. In fact, this is a new case that was resourced because the last case was broken all the time in the US because of luggage handlers. They would keep breaking the wheels on us.

AUDIENCE: Pretty violent these days.

JAY URE: They are pretty violent, yeah. We've actually tested the VLX in the case at three meters dropping it, and the calibration was the same before and after.

AUDIENCE: God, did you guys put diapers on? [INAUDIBLE] my pants [INAUDIBLE].

AUDIENCE: Is the motor--

JAY URE: Yeah. Yeah. So there's two torque screws right here. And it literally just folds out of the box, and you tighten those down. There's a special wrench that comes with it, a torque wrench. You just hear a pop, it's done. It's put together and ready to go. The two batteries are hot swappable, pop them out, and put these on the charger, put the next one's on. After 2 hours, you're 80%. So you get an hour and a half for the batteries.