Discover How BHI Enhanced Project Collaboration and Sustainability with Matterport and ACC

STEPHANIE LIN: Hi, everyone. Thank you so much for joining us today. We're really excited to dive in and discover how BHI enhanced project collaboration and sustainability leveraging Matterport and Autodesk Construction Cloud. I'm incredibly lucky to be able to be joined here today with two amazing guest speakers, Jeremy Wallin from Autodesk and Rene Gasana from Build Health International. Jeremy, why don't you give a little introduction about yourself?

JEREMY WALLIN: Thank you so much. It's great to be here today. My name is Jeremy Wallin, and I am on the Autodesk Construction Cloud partnerships team. I help oversee our amazing ecosystem of integration partners.

RENE GASANA: Hi, everyone. My name is Rene Gasana. I'm an architect, medical planner at BHI, Build Health international. I work mostly on the design and consulting side of our design and construction team that focuses mainly on health care projects. Thank you.

STEPHANIE LIN: Thank you so much, and I forgot to introduce myself again. My name is Stephanie Lin. I am vice president and general manager of our operate solution at Matterport that focuses on design and construction management and facility management solutions for the industries. So let's go ahead and dive right in. Rene, could you give us a bit more background on exactly all the amazing work that Build Health International is doing?

RENE GASANA: Yeah, yeah. Talking briefly about BHI, BHI is Build Health international. So we design and build a nonprofit which focuses on delivering actually design and construction services, high quality design and construction services, in raw resources settings. And our focus is actually to make sure everyone can access equitable health care solution. The organization was founded in response of 2010 Haiti earthquake, and our first project was the national teaching hospital, which is 300 beds.

It is in Hopital Universitaire de Mirebalais, HMU, and since then, BHI has been expanding impact and have been completed more than 200 projects globally. And we mostly partner with non-profit organization, local government, and other service providers in order to provide services in architecture, engineering, and other construction-based expertise, including training, in order to achieve our ultimate goal, which is to strengthen the health care infrastructure and system in promoting the health care for all.

STEPHANIE LIN: That is so incredible. Thank you so much. It's always great to hear that there's so much good going around the world in these crazy times that we're experiencing everywhere. So today, we will dive into just essentially three main topics, and we'll wrap up with some key takeaways. So first, we'll go into what is a digital twin and how does that work together with Autodesk Construction Cloud for design and construction.

Then we'll dive into the wonderful work he is doing with projects that make an impact from dirt to done. Then we'll talk a little bit about future forward, what to look out for in the next evolution of the digital transformation for this design and construction world. And again, just kind of wrap up with a few key takeaways. So diving right in, here's just a little introduction on Matterport and Autodesk Construction Cloud.

So as you can see, there's quite a wonderful new seamless way to solve issues and communicate a lot better using Matterport in Autodesk, and we'll spend the next couple of minutes diving into how exactly that can be achieved. I love to always start with a little quote just to set the scene. And here we have a wonderful quote by David Adjaye talking about context.

Context is so important, not to mimic but to become part of the place. He wanted to build a building that acknowledges the surroundings. Now I want to focus on context and surroundings.

We always think about physically what is in the space, and that's very much at the cornerstone of what a digital twin does. It brings you a virtual version of what is happening on site. But context and surroundings also involve sustainability, being conscious of what is out there in the world. What resources are we using?

How do we continue to be mindful in the way we design and build and construct so that we are helping to prolong the use of our land that we are so lucky to be able to manipulate and build to be able to suit the rest of the context, AKA, the people in the space? So here, really focusing on sustainability, we can help focus and help the audience, AKA the clients, bring together time savings, waste prevention, carbon reduction, and cost savings. Definitely a lot of ways we can go further and deeper into this.

But instead of talking over bullet points, let's get started and the methods onto how you can achieve these bullet points. So there's a lot of ways that you can work on a project. Architecture has been in existence basically as long as mankind has walked the Earth.

And the way that we build hasn't really changed over the past couple hundred years. What has changed is now the idea of scanning to get data and capturing the data on construction sites. Now, that comes with a lot of challenges as well. As you see on the left hand side of the screen here, 95% of all data captured in construction and engineering industry goes unused today.

We've gone into a bit of a data hoarding m where we try to capture as much as possible. But if you capture too much or if it's not the right type of information, just becomes wasteful. It just lays there, and it actually can convolute your workflow. 52% of rework is caused by poor project data miscommunication.

This is a huge issue. I mean, we could all be talking the same language, literally English to English, but people have different takeaways. So how do we solve that in a visual way?

And ultimately with all these hurdles, 24% of total project cost is due to rework. That's either directly you have to physically do something, or indirect. Maybe you are taking extra time-- another day, another two days, another week-- to solve an issue.

But with the adoption of digital twins, what we've seen across industry-- and it doesn't even matter what type of technology you adopt with digital twins. You can see time and time again people saving up to 53% on costs, on travel and site visits. They are able to complete projects in 30% less time. And ultimately, that leads to being able to improve their sustainability efforts by up to 24%

So what that means is you can streamline as built documentation with Matterport digital twins. You can reduce your errors. You can reduce your costs. You can reduce the amount and number of site visits and timing of the site visits. And in the end, that all leads up to saving time, which means you can speed up your projects, close them faster, get paid faster, and move on to the next project faster as well.

So I've used the term digital twin quite a bit, a lot. So what exactly is a digital twin? Our definition of digital twin is a visually immersive, interactive and accurate 3D model of a space at any stage of a building life cycle.

So whether you're in architecture, you're in engineering, you're in construction, or you're a building owner-- you're an owner's agent-- it's all about having that incredible 4K immersive site context to save your time and reduce your costs, to remove the guesswork, and ultimately to improve the communication and document what's happening on site during construction and then document what is there physically on site after the building is opened.

So again, it's really about-- a digital twin is about taking that physical space that everyone can see and touch and smell and feel, whatever, and creating that virtual replica of it. And then in some definition of digital twins, you'll see people talking about IoT and technology and connectivity. All of that still requires that digital virtual underlay of the physical space.

So once you have that digital twin, then you can start to play around with bi-directional communication depending on what your organization needs. Should you need that IoT technology we're just talking about, you can start to dabble into some other programs. Or should you want to document the assets that you have on the site, it's all a process that can be interconnected. But at the cornerstone of that is that digital twin, that virtual replica of the physical space.

So another term that is often used with digital twin is reality capture. They really go hand in hand. Reality capture helps you yield a digital twin. So reality, capture for design and construction is actually quite simple. You just first need to capture and document the space via camera like the Matterport Pro3 camera.

You then collaborate over that digital twin using tools such as Autodesk Construction Cloud and Matterport's Autodesk Construction, cloud integration. And then you can integrate together-- so, really merging that digital twin, the file exports and assets that can come out of digital twin, and leveraging Autodesk platforms such as Revit, AutoCAD, and again AC to be able to continue on and collaborate with your workflows and stakeholders.

There's a lot of different cameras out there that allow a person to capture that digital twin. You can go super fast and use your mobile phone, a 360 camera. But if you want something more suited, better suited for your design drawings, there are a myriad of options.

Historically, there used to just be the super high end laser terrestrial standard scanners, which are incredibly expensive and very slow. And if the wind is too strong, you then have to rescan again, and then you need to train your staff to be able to register the point clouds and then export out all the drawings and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, basically. Going back to the 95% of data, it goes unused.

Now there's a suite of products which you see in the right hand side of the screen that give you that capture a lot faster, but still allow you a sense of reliability, a sense of accuracy, knowing that you are getting what you need out of that site capture. So again, you can see definitely, if you're looking for schematic level drawings or even more, there's a lot of different options out there, including the Matterport Pro2, the Matterport Pro3, and of course, the Leica BLK as well.

So I've talked a lot about how long scanning can take in the traditional terrestrial LiDAR scanners. So the Matterport Pro3 camera is what you see on screen here, and this is actually real time video of how quickly it scans. So you can imagine you're going from three to five minutes per scan now down to less than 30 ACC. Multiply that across, let's just say simple math, 100 scan points, you can see how quickly time savings start to add up as well.

So once you have that scan, that digital twin, you're able to actually leverage that digital twin and export out files that you use in your day to day. The technology of digital twins does not exist to replace any software programs you've already invested in. No one's asking you to move away from AutoCAD. No one's asking you to move away from Revit.

In fact, we want you to keep using that, and we want to make it easier for you to keep using those programs and to keep leveraging all the Autodesk suite of products in ACC. So you can export out a CAD file. You can export out point clouds, whether you want a high density E57 or a slightly decimated but smaller, easier to use file, an XYZ file, or again, even a complex BIM file. These are all exports that you can get out of a Matterport digital twin to send and use in ACC and beyond.

So, just to recap, once you take that file expert, you can collaborate. So, leveraging the connections between Matterport and ACC can give you faster, and more cost effective as built modeling, first and foremost. And then it moves into that improved collaboration and communication.

You can see in the little image that's moving on the right hand side of my screen just within that Matterport realistic virtual walkthrough, you're able to immediately actually tag, location stamp, and timestamp what you're looking at, upload that to ACC Autodesk build, and then coordinate and assign your stakeholders right then and there. It's quite a seamless process, and we love to see it because you're no longer searching for what drawing sheet has hallway 355.

I thought this was hallway 355. But oh, wait, no, we're on the wrong floor. So it starts to eliminate a lot of that miscommunication and rework we were talking about earlier. And again, to integrate, here in this slide, you'll just see the full suite of different ways that we can integrate together with Autodesk products.

So the various integration points-- we integrated with all those products you saw in the previous slide. But how does it work? Again, you capture. You process.

And then once you capture and process, you actually own the data. You're able to get all these various file exports out, and then down to if you're using 3D rendering tools, you can get an OBJ file. You can get that materiality file that's associated with it.

Upload it, share it with the Autodesk Compression Cloud suite of products, really about leveraging your existing workflows, the existing tech stack that you've already invested in, and just making it a little bit easier. And that's where the magic happens. You're able to, again, get a BIM file, open it up directly into Revit, and start editing it or a CAD file as well.

You're able to create RFIs, assign issues, et cetera, directly within your ACC seat. And you're able to track that across the lifetime of that issue or RFI. So, you've heard a lot from me. By no means am I an expert on ACC. So I'd love to pass it to my partner in crime here, Jeremy, to talk a bit more about the amazing technology behind here.

JEREMY WALLIN: Very good. Thank you so much, Stephanie. So, what is Autodesk Construction Cloud? Autodesk Construction Cloud is a suite of software that we are delivering to construction teams that they can use on the jobsite and during the entire construction process.

And when we refer to Autodesk Construction Cloud, that's three things working in conjunction with one another-- Autodesk BIM Collaborate, which helps design teams in particular, Autodesk Takeoff, which allows teams to generate quantities from 2D sheets or 3D models to include in their estimates and then, of course, Autodesk build, which is typically used during the construction phase of a project and has everything and anything that project teams need to go and build their structure, their 3D models, their 2D drawings.

It allows them to create issues, RFIs, and so forth. All of this is stored and is underpinned by Autodesk Docs. So those 3D models, those construction documents, and so forth live and exist within Autodesk Docs and are usable across BIM Collaborate, Takeoff, and Build so that project teams can use all these files and content throughout the entire construction lifecycle. Matterport, of course, is highly complementary to Autodesk Construction Cloud, and Stephanie, [INAUDIBLE].

STEPHANIE LIN: Yeah, absolutely. And that is exactly why we continue to build on our partnership with Autodesk as well is they are very complementary. As Jeremy mentioned, you can take that visual layer and then translate the visual digital twin that you're capturing everywhere and then spread it across all the different tools that people are using to collaborate as well.

JEREMY WALLIN: Good. All right, so, talked a little bit about the stages of construction and how Autodesk Construction Cloud fits within the stages of construction. So, looking at this slide here, you can see how Autodesk Construction Cloud, again, BIM Collaborate, Takeoff, and Build all underpinned by Docs can be used throughout the design process, the pre-construction process, and then, of course, construction, and operation as we turn over all of that construction data to the owner to go and operate the structure that we just built.

You'll see a couple of the more widely used-- when Autodesk Construction is used in the stages of construction here on the screen. But a couple ones I want to highlight are being able to manage and have access to that construction content during, say, when we're on site, we need access to our 2D sheets, 3D models and so forth.

All of that is possible within Autodesk Construction Cloud, and we're seeing teams from a sustainability angle reduce rework by not having to go visit the site as frequently to resolve issues or RFIs. Spatial context from Matterport is included within those issues and RFIs so that when team members, whether they're on the jobsite, on the mobile app, or on the desktop with Autodesk Construction Cloud have all of the stuff and visual context that they need from Matterport alongside the information that they're collecting and working with on site.

And speaking of Autodesk Build-- and next up. Here we go. Here is a little more granular detail on the types of workflows that it supports.

Mentioned already, RFIs, issues, 3D models, 2D sheets. There's a cost management portion or tool associated with Autodesk Build as well so project teams are able to track their budget, initiate change orders, and so forth. And again, all of this is linked together with one another. So those issues, RFIs, change orders, documents, photos, and so forth can all be linked with one another, and it ultimately becomes a highly collaborative space that project teams can use. So that everyone quite literally is on the same page as they are working through their project

and again with the aim of reducing rework on site, not having to build the same thing three times, reducing trips to site. So from a sustainability angle, we're enabling or trying to enable project teams to work more efficiently, effectively keep their projects moving on time, under budget, and reducing waste as a byproduct of construction. And again, Matterport is highly complimentary to Autodesk build. A number of the things that Matterport does, as you have been seeing here today, fit right in with Autodesk Construction Cloud.

STEPHANIE LIN: And we're fantastically lucky, and we live in the world of cloud services, basically. And so going back to the points that Jeremy was just making, you're able to reduce all that time travel-- not time travel. We're able to reduce all that time, often associated with travel and access, hard to access sites.

Speaking of hard to access sites, actually, I'd love to be able to pass the mic over to our other amazing guest speaker, Rene Gasana, to talk exactly about hard [INAUDIBLE] and the wonderful suite of-- I believe there's three projects you will walk us through as to how they're leveraging this technology to build in where you might not think they're there would be such efficient building going on as well.

RENE GASANA: Yeah thank you, Stephanie. As I mentioned, I work as an architect and medical planner. And in my role, been utilizing Matterport technology in our design workflow and helped us enhancing the way we approach designed care facilities, mostly in remote or low income settings.

So today, I'm going to discuss with you three projects. Two of them are still under design phase, and another one is under construction on site. So Connaught, the first one, it is still in a design phase. It is in CRO, and we refreshed Matterport technology to achieve several improvements that were needed, like enhanced blueprints, achieving time efficient-scanning because it's an operable hospital, and we needed fast and precise floor plans. And we wanted something that can be integrated in ACC when we are in further design stages.

Another project, which is in Uganda, Adara, we had issues, and the Matterport helped us addressing those issues because we need to update the floor plans because there have been so many innovation and so many changes with hospital management that were not recorded. Another thing was privacy compliant issue because it's an [INAUDIBLE] that deal with kids. And we had to achieve exact dimensions because one of the things was to add another from that building. So we had to be precise.

Another project which is on site, ACEGID, it's a project on site, and we needed something that is like regularly scanning. So avoiding manual scanning, avoiding human error, and providing actually accurate data in real time coordination was very easy by Matterport. If I go next, yeah-- oh, this is the project I'm talking about in Kona.

It's called Kona district hospital. It's in Sierra Leone. It was built in wrong time. We believe it was like-- they don't even have accurate as built drawings because no one could find original blueprints.

And the issue is the current surgical department had to have some medical planning issues that need to be addressed. So imagine going to existing operating hospital, and you need to take weeks trying to scan by notebooks or sketching. It was going to be very hard and was going to be time consuming because the traditional assessment method required weeks of work, drafting, and, of course, high risk of human error.

And we had time constraints because it's one of areas where hospitals are very rare. So, so many sick people were needing that hospital to be used. So it was very-- like, we think Matterport now was the best solution to achieve it. So we were there. We captured the scanning very fast, which took no less than 2 to three hours.

And the reason why we wanted to use it mainly is that in future phases in design, we want to integrate ACC using it because it's like a live 360 model that is going to be very easy during our, if I can say, expansion project. Yeah, I would like to show you this video, which is actually a guided tour. We have done this district hospital in Connaught. So it's actually scanning some of most important rooms we used the Matterport.

STEPHANIE LIN: What strikes me is how many rooms there are. Can you imagine if you weren't able to scan, how long that would have taken you to document everything?

RENE GASANA: Yeah. As you can see, it has some issues in medical planning, like location of autoclave and access to operating room, stuff like that. So it was very difficult to actually-- yeah, as you can see, it's a challenging type of project.

STEPHANIE LIN: Yeah, absolutely. And you have the indoor and outdoor too, that now with the Pro 3, you can actually capture that in one model.

RENE GASANA: Yeah, yeah. All right, yeah. Actually, it was very challenging because first of all, we had to deal with a small site, which is like in existing hospital.

And like, there is nothing like this. It will be very difficult to report even to the team in back office to understand the situation. But with Matterport, someone can visit it and see actually what is there, what you are talking about.

STEPHANIE LIN: Amazing.

RENE GASANA: So the next project is Adara, which is in Uganda. So it's a maternity and NICU project. We chose this project because it's also one of the challenging sites we had where we had to deal with privacy concerns and actually dealing with a hospital does, like, faced so many challenges that are not recorded.

So we had both blueprints which were not reliable. So we had to be there present. And there was no one who can give us what we needed.

So using Matterport, mostly the feature of face blurring, was very convincing for them to even give us access and trust to scan and actually be able to achieve what we wanted. So utilizing it was essential. Actually, it helped us gain trust to our partner.

And it could, as I said, because it's going to be-- expansion of this hospital and adding another from top of the hospital. So we needed something that gave us exact footprint of the foundation and the walls. So it was a very quick, good experience, and that helped us a lot.

The next slide shows the video of the hospital I'm talking about, which is not well-planned. So of course, the next phase is going also to change out in the medical planning. It's not a long video.

STEPHANIE LIN: It's amazing that you're able to use the face blur tool because otherwise, I mean, it's a working hospital. How would you be able to satisfy or go in? At any point in time, there's always going to be people working there.

RENE GASANA: And it's very difficult when it's NICU because it's for neonatal. It's actually mainly against the law in Uganda. So it couldn't be possible.

STEPHANIE LIN: Wow. Yeah, no. I imagine with NICU it's also limited people that are allowed on site and just so extra care with that.

RENE GASANA: Mm-hmm. So that's the NICU I'm talking about. So in the region, it's considered one of the busiest NICU. It doesn't mean it is good as opposed to [INAUDIBLE]. They tried to find their local ways to help themselves, which is a commendable thing.

STEPHANIE LIN: It's amazing.

RENE GASANA: Yeah.

STEPHANIE LIN: I just actually just had a baby earlier this year. So this project really resonates with me. It's great that to see that BHI is doing such wonderful work, helping new babies.

RENE GASANA: Thank you. So that's-- the next project, which is a-- the next project, which is on site, is actually ACEGID. It is in Nigeria.

So we are now using Matterport product on the construction side. It's actually a way of having a construction administration in our own terms or actually raising issues, creating issues. So it will be very difficult to go to someone and with several photos in that room.

That's what I meant. But by using Matterport, it's like you are there. You can show exactly what you meant.

And being able to have multiple scanning, it's actually, like, added very. So I think what I'm excited on as an architect who have been doing a design and construction administration is that we were already relying on virtual models that are created in Autodesk products. But now-- mainly Revit and other BIM products.

But now, we can actually use something similar, which is way easier to make in a few hours. And it can be used during design and on site during construction. And I think I'll-- ACC integration, everyone who does design understands what it means. Thank you so much.

STEPHANIE LIN: Thank you so much. It's just incredible to hear, again, these powerful stories. We always hear-- there's so much in the news now that just makes you feel bad.

But these are the kind of stories I love to highlight because you're just doing good for the world. So thank you so much for sharing with us. And actually, if you don't mind, if you don't mind continuing to share your screen, we'll just continue with the next couple of slides.

Thank you. So you just heard and learned a lot about how Matterport digital twins and Autodesk Construction Cloud together can really help make a project more efficient, make it a lot more easily accessible. One thing I like to say often is at Matterport, we say is it helps democratize site access.

It's really about-- I remember it being a junior architect and begging to go on site. And you just-- you have to play your cards right. But now, you can learn and be onboarded so much faster too via these digital and virtual methods.

So what's next in the world? So we talked-- so Rene just talked a lot about scanning on site. And you know how previously, you have to go with a notebook and sketch and take notes.

So the scanning part helps you make the whole photo documentation process a lot faster. Now I can create a digital twin. And what's coming up with Matterport, which was just announced a few days ago, is field tags.

So now as you're scanning, actually, you'll be able to add tags during that process. Oh, actually, I should screen share for this part. I apologize. Or is it loading? If it is, then that's perfect. Oh perfect.

So what you have here is actually now the ability to go through, and as you're scanning live on site, you add tags, add notes, so that it's very much more a simulation of what you would normally do. So instead of scanning and then writing in your notebook, you can now do it all in the same application as well. And it just makes it that much easier later on when you go back to your desk or you send the scan to someone else maybe in a different continent to be able to continue to coordinate right away.

RENE GASANA: And wow, this is good, actually, because as I'm saying, if you're using a Matterport on site, sometimes, you have to take some notes on your notebook. So if there's this integration, it would actually streamline the process and maybe be very accurate in terms of the workflow. This is a good feature.

STEPHANIE LIN: Absolutely. I'm so excited to hear that. Yeah, I mean, we want to just always focus on how do you pinpoint the issue and then how do you help solve the issue.

So being able to do that right on site can just really, as you said, can streamline the whole process. If we go to the next slide, actually, we can talk about the other feature that we've just announced as well. And so model merge-- so Rene, you mentioned there's a lot of rooms.

Sometimes projects-- sometimes, you just need to return on a different time. And so what this feature allows is a DIY process. So if you have different team members scanning different parts of a project or if you need to return on a different time to get-- maybe you don't have access to the third floor of the hospital.

Maybe you need to go back for that third floor at a later time. You can actually self-merge and create one complete model of any complex space or even if it's not so complex. And this just, as you can imagine, instead of flipping between many, many things, you can consolidate that into just one file.

RENE GASANA: It's crazy how this is actually resonating with the last project. Yeah, when we were in Sierra Leone, as I said, the project was built on a cliff of the ocean. So the external part, you know how in Matterport, you connect the notes. So at the site of the hospital is not accessible using that strategy.

So we had to use two models, and we were not able to [INAUDIBLE] like internal and external facing the ocean. We couldn't have it in one model. I think this is going to help people out.

STEPHANIE LIN: I love that. Wow, on a cliffside-- that sounds fantastic also. But that's exactly it. It's really about just, again, how can we make the process that already exist a little bit more seamless and a little bit less painful?

And then finally, if we go to one more slide, so there's property intelligence. So we had previously announced property intelligence, which means with any model scanned with the Matterport Pro2 or Pro3 camera, you can automatically get dimensions. Now, this is, you can imagine, incredibly helpful if you really want to just quickly schematic, lay out something, schematic design and elevation, figure out, hey, if I need five more hospital beds in this room, will they fit right away?

And now it's paired together with also auto description. So if you're running to a presentation and you need something really quickly, you can also just grab those descriptions. The AI model behind it learns and knows kind of, well, there's a fireplace, there's a hallway, and then can actually help you produce that information as well.

But really, the super exciting thing for me with this iteration is you can see in the middle that dotted line. It actually tells you the highest point out of a ceiling. So if you are in multi-space, multi floor-area spaces, it starts to become a lot easier to coordinate on the ground as well.

Looks fantastic. So, next slide. And then one more click, please.

We went through a lot of different features. And ultimately, it's really about how you can make your life a little bit easier. We spend so much time every day at work. It can be joyful. It can be painful, and we're somewhere in between.

So, how can we make it a little bit more joyful by spending a little less time there? So leveraging a Matterport digital twin together with Autodesk Construction Cloud especially can help decrease up to 50% of your time and travel costs. One more click, please.

We talked about the ability to get a BIM or CAD export file export out of a Matterport digital twin. So that really can add up to-- some companies have reported that they've saved up to 70% in survey costs and BIM file creations. Next, please.

All this adds up to ultimately, you're having more accurate information, visual information, to replace a lot of different traditional methods of trying to pair notes with 1,000 photos you might have taken on site to lead to 30% of costs and time savings via your collaboration. And all that yields in the end a reduction of 75% of project issues that need to be escalated.

What I mean by escalated? You go into the back and forth of arguing. Can I close out the project?

Can I move on? Blah, blah, blah. But realistically, it just helps you do things faster and make decisions faster with the confidence that you have the right information on hand. Next slide, please.

And so that is it. We went into a lot of information. If you'd like to find out more, please feel free to scan the QR code

If you are looking for some credit and you stuck with us through this whole time, that's fantastic. There is a little link here to sign up for your AA credit as well. And of course, please, please, please visit us at booth 409 during Autodesk University in San Diego this year. Thank you so much to our wonderful guest speakers Jeremy and Rene. I'm so grateful that you were able to share all the incredible information with us today.

RENE GASANA: Thank you, Stephanie. Was actually able to-- yeah, to participate and learn more also from you guys.

STEPHANIE LIN: Thank you.

JEREMY WALLIN: Thank you so much.